Mythbusters of top eleven

[nikolgiorgos]

An interesting thread
https://forum.topeleven.com/top-elev...ng-orders.html
and a subject for Mythbusters
Can we recognize oppo orders ?
Let's see
1) Attack/normal/defense mode
I could say it's impossible to recognize them from the live game.
But I guess that if we see oppo with weaker team and 5-6 defenders (4D-1DMC, DML-3DC-DMR, 3DC-DML/C/R) we can guess that he has defense mode.
A good idea for this case is to use also defense/counters - as REAL M. played vs ATLETICO M. in last year's CH.L. Final.
2) From which side ?
Cannot understand it either.
Only from some formations. For example if oppo is playing 4-5-1 V must be from the flanks, if playing 4-4-2 ND, must be from the middle.
But cannot guess for 4-4-2
3) Short, long or normal ? - Counter attack ?
Cannot recognize it.
Even if oppo (or we) set short pass & no counters, there are times when the game will give us a chance to make a counter with a long pass.

4) High or low pressing . I don't think so
5) Tackling , for sure not
6) Marking - Zonal or mtm ? Difficult.
I played some times with tanking teams, having all the players in attack.
As the game started (or after every goal I scored) they just took positions near my players.
7) off-side trap.
Usually no but I 've seen in some games (3 in 5 months) that I was falling in the o. tap, 5-6 times in the same game .
Oppo was watching so I thought he used the trap.
Then, in the 2nd leg (it was K.O. games) I switched from defense/counters to normal/short pass/no counters and it helped me to reduce them.

About 3 months ago, the asso groups I had with my 2 teams played in the same tournament and NIK (from khris group) played vs my reserves, ManU (of madflo group).
So I had the chance to make some observations in "official" games.
In the first game, I set in one team hard tackling and in the other easy tackling.
Absolutely no difference in the game play.
I tried to find some hints for those choices of mine, but no.

In the second leg of the tournament, as NIK won the first game with 2-0, I tried to help a little ManU so to have equal points.
So I set some abnormal orders in NIK
Defense, no counters, easy tackling, off-side trap, man to man mix pass, from the middle (but having AML-AMR in the team).
Couldn't observe anything about orders, NIK won again

[Tactician]

About 3 months ago, the asso groups I had with my 2 teams played in the same tournament and NIK (from khris group) played vs my reserves, ManU (of madflo group).
So I had the chance to make some observations in "official" games.
In the first game, I set in one team hard tackling and in the other easy tackling.
Absolutely no difference in the game play.
I tried to find some hints for those choices of mine, but no.

In the second leg of the tournament, as NIK won the first game with 2-0, I tried to help a little ManU so to have equal points.
So I set some abnormal orders in NIK
Defense, no counters, easy tackling, off-side trap, man to man mix pass, from the middle (but having AML-AMR in the team).
Couldn't observe anything about orders, NIK won again

I made tests using testing accounts (all at the same level) by making them play against each other. There was not much sense in terms of what was happening on the pitch in terms of the orders used, there was not much sense in the assistant manager advice for both sides (given that I knew the orders on each side), and there were no effects when the orders were changed be it just like that or by following the assistant managers advice. Those were for friendly matches, but clearly it was like watching pre-recorded matches or using a keyboard without its cable plugged in.

[ronnymvc]

4) High or low pressing . I don't think so
5) Tackling , for sure not
6) Marking - Zonal or mtm ? Difficult.

I have something to add for 4), 5) and 6)
4)maybe you don't know if the oppo is playing high or low pressing but at least checking the tackles statistics will give you a hint if you have to use or not high pressing .
5) the same from above here , but referring to fouls.
6) more or less ... if your shots on target have a small percentage from total shots then I am pretty sure your oppo is playing mtm marking.