Guess the result

[Tyltyl]

No problem about sounding like a professor, I accept everything
As I said I'm not angry about the defeat per se, but at the fact that after 3 years I still don't know what actually makes a difference. I stated:

- Higher quality, +20% difference
- Perfect preparation, full 99% condition, full morale
- Followed the counter formation table, that states a 4-5-1V as a counter for that formation
- I forgot to add that I gave a full 15M bonus prize for the cup
- Watched the game

On top of that sometimes I know when the game wants you to lose, that's why I took screenshots and I was right.
I would understand that not satisfying one or more of the aforementioned requirements would not make your team equally fight for the match (not saying guarantee a win), but ALL of them? Even if my opponent did (except the formation) the same that wouldn't mean that I had no chance of actually scoring one single goal, the match was total crap for me even by having more possession away. Oh, and I forgot to add that I had more possession away, and same for him while playing at my home :-/

At least everything that I listed should give you a little bonus, maybe even to compensate the difference if you are playing against a stronger opponent, let alone a weaker one.
To me it means that NONE of them make any difference, hence the game calculates the result on its own by mysterious ways, hence I had no chance of winning to start with.

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[ronnymvc]

sorry for you Tyltyl, but T11 will kick your a*s all the time when you set wrong formation against a weaker team.
3dc 1dmc 2mc , 3dc 1dmc 3mc or 3dc 2dmc 2mc should be you chose for next time, full moral and condition is useless.

PS: table formations will not help you all the time

[José Carlos Matias]

why you say 3 DCs are best suited to face that formation??? and why hes V style formation isnt good??? based on what your statement ronnymvc??

[madflo19]

Sorry guys,maybe I'm wrong,but if i am 20%-30% stronger than my opponent,i don't have to set a counter formation,Tyltyl opponent was playing 4312,which is not a counter for 45v1 (one of the most balanced formations)so if the weak team is not playing a counter formation against the strong team,is not watching also and is winning the match,then where is the logic?!?

[gizzmo]

why you say 3 DCs are best suited to face that formation??? and why hes V style formation isnt good??? based on what your statement ronnymvc??

Sorry mate but as we said in France, we are not going to play "who has the bigger d...". It's been 32 seasons I play this game, I have won 28 leagues, 14 CL, as many cups and 7 trebles. And you know what ? I am wrong sometimes too. But if you read carefully the tactics part of this forum, you will see loads of posts about the weaknesses of 4-5-1V. Which is my main tactic. So my opinion is based on experience, wins and losses.

[José Carlos Matias]

Sorry mate but as we said in France, we are not going to play "who has the bigger d...". It's been 32 seasons I play this game, I have won 28 leagues, 14 CL, as many cups and 7 trebles. And you know what ? I am wrong sometimes too. But if you read carefully the tactics part of this forum, you will see loads of posts about the weaknesses of 4-5-1V. Which is my main tactic. So my opinion is based on experience, wins and losses.

ok. i dont want to no weither who as the bigger d.... and you know what? this is my 50 season and lvl 43 manager and i had beatten with my V style formation exactly formation befor...and not once or twice...alot of times and i believe we living strange days on top11 with those weird results everywere.......but after all those words you didnt explain why V isnt good to match 4x3Nx1x2

[ronnymvc]

this season, after damn update, I saw more than 75% of games where 2dc 1dmc 2mc lost in front of 3mc 1amc 2st , even 41212 ND beat the 451v style, something was change... and more 352V style can not beat the 4ND, at least in my case.

[Tyltyl]

Either the counter formation table is wrong or something is not working at all.
BTW, TE is not always kicking my ass. I prefered to use 4-5-1V for seasons now and rarely I get beaten. It happened when it was ok to lose, but not when I'm also a lot stronger than the opponent, and add to that everything I listed. It was a perfect setting for the match and yet I lost. What should have I done to win it? If it's something hidden we should know. Is it luck? Ok, give us a luck skill so we would know. Is it the referee? Add a referee temperament indication (like Online Soccer Manager) so we would know. If you don't, we will still play blindly for more years to come, and I'm tired of that. At this point I still don't know how SA work because I have CK and FK specialists and they aren't profitable. I have a DR that scores more hat tricks than my ST that barely score a goal in a game.
Just by looking at everyone's suggestions on the forum (even from the mods), it's worrying that still nobody has a 100% clear idea on how this game works. It's the formation, it's the strategy, the morale or something else. Everyone has his own idea, and that shouldn't be right.

On a side note if someone is interested or either p****d off like I am, I'm trying another game and I'm talking about it in the off-topic section. It has a lot of features that TE is missing. Surely it's more transparent, has more strategy options and is more clear about the condition and player's special abilities (that are a given from the start and you have to train it). Even if it's not perfect, I just hope that Nordeus (and maybe the players) will get some prompts from it.

[Tyltyl]

And also, remember that when you say that the formation is wrong, that I had a +20% advantage over the opponent, and say the same thing to people complaining about being drawn against a much stronger opponent. Just use the right formation and they will be able to qualify, right?

Truth is, nobody will ever know what lies behind everything we can do to prepare a match in the optimal way. If it's tactical, it is not transparent enough to know and to prevent the next time you play, since the simulation and the stats are extremely lacking. It makes it look like you have no control over anything.
I'm still scared thinking to what is going to happen tomorrow with the association tournament. It has been a nightmare lately, bad games with even worse opponents.