Why's everyone complaining?

[Vernie83]

I don't understand why so many people hate the fact they can't game the system as easily. It doesn't just affect them, it affects every other manager who was training their players unrealistically. A player having 200%+ in one skill and 1% in another is stupid. STUPID. Completely daft. In real life strikers can actually track back and tackle, defenders can score goals. This is real life football, every player on the pitch is expected to be able to operate in every third (except the goalie).

The cheat where players had 1,000% fitness was even more stupid and everyone (who wasn't cheating that way) was happy when it was stopped, now some people are mad because the game has been made even more realistic.

If anyone wonders why I'm so sanguine about the update; I've never faced ridiculously lopsided players in any competition. In nearly 30 seasons my team has always been very balanced and those I've faced have been too. Maybe the teams with mutant players are all put in the same servers? I don't know, maybe not. I'm glad the only strong teams I faced and will continue to face are ones which are balanced, with managers who understand tactics and watch loads of boring adverts. Let's be honest, after a few seasons buying rests and watching 20% of the quality that money bought disappear every month, most will give up spending their hard-earned cash.

Question. If what you say is stupid, I don't think that way, how stupid is that resistance is a gray skill to ST?

This ain't going about stupid or not, or realistic or not, cause, do you think this game is realistic? NO. Then, why are you complaining about stupidity or reality?

Anyone without upselling can have players with 21yo and 200% and change on white skills and 1% on gray. How? Buying 3 stars FT players. Simple as that. Is than cheating? Nope, it isn't

[Vernie83]

Professional managers will always stay two steps ahead from naive managers no matter Nordeus did to tackle them.

Agree. What I see form people that complains is that a lot of people doesn't have a clue of how to train

[adifairus]

having 1% gray skill and 300++ white skill is not cheating, everybody can do it including you,

whether upselling or train 3* 18 yr/o from auction or free from youth and when level up, those gray skill will reduce to 1%

is it cheating? no, it require effort.

[PricopGeorgeCătălin]

having 1% gray skill and 300++ white skill is not cheating, everybody can do it including you,

whether upselling or train 3* 18 yr/o from auction or free from youth and when level up, those gray skill will reduce to 1%

is it cheating? no, it require effort.

Technically isn't cheating but people can take the advantage of it and create "mutants". Indeed having 1% skill on some attributes and 300% on others doesn't look good at all.

If the developers plan to fix this then we will have an exploit less so congrats to them!

[Vernie83]

having 1% gray skill and 300++ white skill is not cheating, everybody can do it including you,

whether upselling or train 3* 18 yr/o from auction or free from youth and when level up, those gray skill will reduce to 1%

is it cheating? no, it require effort.

Damn right!!!

[John Grant]

See Gobobo , my words are like blood in the ocean and sharks , they cannot resist even the slightest word.

As it is Hairdryer , I was merely pointing out to another relative newcomer what the lay of the land looks like for those of us with differing opinions from those who consider themselves as "professional managers" and you yet again duly proved my point quite admirably by arriving right on cue. I thank you for that. Constructive comment comes in many forms dependent upon who is the reader. My comments may have been seen as constructive for some and so they are justified , especially as they are in the main based on fact with a little personal observation thrown in.
In regards respect , I believe I showed just the right amount of respect owed to the so called, and self styled , "professional managers" within this game which is far more respect than they usually show for anyone outside their own ranks. Respect is earned , cannot be demanded , and is a two way street which means the more you earn the more you receive. Before you start your silly attacks on me in regards respect..............I really dont care how or what you think of me as it is of no consequence to me. To be honest these attacks are not only getting so boring and predictable they are starting to make some of you look ridiculous and one dimensional. It would be far better if you stopped and just let the conversational dialogue flow in each thread instead of trying to stifle and derail any who have a different point of view. Then you may get what you crave.

[KenoticFC]

Gobobo, I have no problem with you or your opinion. I used to be against a lot of other managers opinion during the time the new transfer market was introduced. The difference was I did not call anybody who thought differently a cheater and an exploiter like Mr. Grant. At this point Im really apathetic towards the game in general. My point is this game will never be fair or realistic for everyone at the same time. What sets a manager apart is discovering things like this, otherwise the game is pure simulation luck.

[John Grant]

Gobobo, I have no problem with you or your opinion. I used to be against a lot of other managers opinion during the time the new transfer market was introduced. The difference was I did not call anybody who thought differently a cheater and an exploiter like Mr. Grant. At this point Im really apathetic towards the game in general. My point is this game will never be fair or realistic for everyone at the same time. What sets a manager apart is discovering things like this, otherwise the game is pure simulation luck.

I have never called anyone a cheat thankyou , I take every opportunity to point out that what they do is not cheating but dont let truth get in the way of a cool story. As for exploiters , yes well I guess I do call people that but so what , its kind of a compliment to them if you think about it.
In regards what you say sets managers apart , well its not that hard to discover the system flaws , its even easier to manipulate the draw and it takes absolutely no brains at all to tank , "professionals" hmpff.

[Gobobo]

Gobobo, I have no problem with you or your opinion. I used to be against a lot of other managers opinion during the time the new transfer market was introduced. The difference was I did not call anybody who thought differently a cheater and an exploiter like Mr. Grant. At this point Im really apathetic towards the game in general. My point is this game will never be fair or realistic for everyone at the same time. What sets a manager apart is discovering things like this, otherwise the game is pure simulation luck.

Thanks, I feel the same. Play the ball, not the man eh? People are free to find and exploit weaknesses in this game, I understand that's half of the fun. I'm fairly new to the game, compared to most, so I'm still enjoying finding good players and developing a balanced team which will perform well. Not great, apart from a few seasons ago when everything just 'clicked' and I got a treble. Like ManU back when Scholes and Solskar and Sheringham won it. I'm a 'Pool fan but that night was a glorious event. Even better because we beat a German team (childish, yes, but still it was as good as the 5-0 when England beat Germany).

Anyway, the good times are made even better when you go through a season with no chance of even a double. This season I'm 17-0-1, so I'm in first place, right? No. A Dutch team which is 15% better than mine is 18-0-0 as they beat me at home. Champions League I'm in the 1/4 finals and I'll probably face the same team in the Final. Cup? Semi-final first leg down 4-1 to the same team! Arhhhggg!

I saw this after the first week of this season, so have been concentrating on the next season. I swear Nordeus thought I'd pay out big money to improve my team, as if I could beat this one team I'd be on for a treble. I paid out before, so I see their algorithm's logic. Instead I'm saving rests every day, finding 18 y/o players who I'll train really hard early next season, I'm 14 points ahead of the third-placed team in my league so no chance I won't qualify for the CL next season. Biding my time, building a strong base, no short cuts. Also now waiting to see how this new adaption in training develops. We in the Top Eleven universe live in interesting times.

[KenoticFC]

First I have to point out something that maybe gets lost in the written form discussion. I am not mad or agitated. I just find it funny that instead of learning the mechanics of the game (the real adversary) some think that they have SKILLZ and everyone else that has gathered experience doesnt deserve their titles. I have not had time to really care about the game in the last 3 season due to personal reasons and I have only watched about 5 videos a day. I still have used this time to learn and verify some doubts I had in regards to the game. You are the one calling people professionals in an ironic way(maybe they are), your words.
You really dont see that the game has destroyed all knowledge people have gathered, see the tactics section, it is dead, what are we playing anyway a game or a slot machine based on luck.