Why is it still allowed that managers play with mutants like FK Zvejnieks?

[rogerniceguy]

To be clear. Buying a 3 star 18yo player via auctions or negotiations and training up I don't regard as abuse. Such as player could have high white skills and low grey skills but not 1% at 18yo.

The abuse is where a team repeatedly trains and sells such a player to their own team 2 levels higher and repeats until they have a player with say 1% greys and 340% whites. Overall q say 95% at 18yo. That is abusive in my opinion.

why you think upselling is considered abuse?

and why do you think i cannot buy a player from lower level league to play in my higher level league? i will train him anyway

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[nikolgiorgos]

My point is the upselling abuse has been supported by many forumers

no, don't agree. I don't remember any post supporting that (at least from a regular forum member).
You can search yourself.

limit negotiation of a player to 1 move a season to reduce how far they can move up the tree.

yes, this is simple and logic (but don't know if the devs can work with that)

3. By itself, the division into "dark" and "light" skills leads to the fact that this can be manipulated.

definitely the devs should work this thing with skills/drills and training or else this would be just a Police and Thieves game.

[rogerniceguy]

no, don't agree. I don't remember any post supporting that (at least from a regular forum member).
You can search yourself.


yes, this is simple and logic (but don't know if the devs can work with that)


definitely the devs should work this thing with skills/drills and training or else this would be just a Police and Thieves game.

I don't need to search. We will just agree to disagree and move on eh.

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[adifairus]

To be clear. Buying a 3 star 18yo player via auctions or negotiations and training up I don't regard as abuse. Such as player could have high white skills and low grey skills but not 1% at 18yo.

The abuse is where a team repeatedly trains and sells such a player to their own team 2 levels higher and repeats until they have a player with say 1% greys and 340% whites. Overall q say 95% at 18yo. That is abusive in my opinion.

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repeatly train specific skill is actually smart work,

it's the system fault because allowing white skill keep gaining while gray skill maintain 1%,

by the way, its natural for somebody got crazy shooting skill but not brave at all, 1% bravery

very good dribbler but very bad at jumping and heading.. this type of person actually exist, but as a professional footballer, they should not has too much big gap between white and gray skill

the system should improve at this area

[lalexrus]

limit negotiation of a player to 1 move a season to reduce how far they can move up the tree.
yes, this is simple and logic (but don't know if the devs can work with that)

it does not solve all possible manipulations with the ratings of teams. the two most logical steps are to close the sale on the levels up and down the levels completely, close the negotiations and auction for the period of the matches of the associations and the last and first day of the season. Then we can say that for a while (until they find another solution), the game will become fair (in terms of the rating of teams before and after the draw of the associations, league, cup and the Champions League)

[rogerniceguy]

If you read my post I am not critical of training I am critical of players using multiple accounts to create a beat the game engine 18yo mutant.

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[rogerniceguy]

it does not solve all possible manipulations with the ratings of teams. the two most logical steps are to close the sale on the levels up and down the levels completely, close the negotiations and auction for the period of the matches of the associations and the last and first day of the season. Then we can say that for a while (until they find another solution), the game will become fair (in terms of the rating of teams before and after the draw of the associations, league, cup and the Champions League)

Negotiations would become useless if limited same level. If I spend 30t to buy a 99% player I am not selling him for below what I paid.

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[khris]

It can be done, we understand that the negotiations feature is used mainly 1 time per season with the same player. When there's a repetitive upselling with the own multi accounts is when this can be understood as a abuse, and a non sense.
I've been myself pushing for a cap of 1 time per season or 1 time each 15 days in what players can be sold via nego's to keep some logic and fairness.
Maybe Im gonna post later the log with the main suggestions related to the issues, as when I do public the reports.

[rogerniceguy]

It can be done, we understand that the negotiations feature is used mainly 1 time per season with the same player. When there's a repetitive upselling with the own multi accounts is when this can be understood as a abuse, and a non sense.
I've been myself pushing for a cap of 1 time per season or 1 time each 15 days in what players can be sold via nego's to keep some logic and fairness.
Maybe Im gonna post later the log with the main suggestions related to the issues, as when I do public the reports.

It would be a shame for the negotiations feature to be removed totally as was the case with loans when that was abused. So yes let's have some constructive suggestions so we can keep this feature. For a start why not specifically ban the use of abusive upselling in the game T and Cs and follow through with bans.

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[adifairus]

how about using the same concept like the facility building?

we cannot proceed to build next level facility if other facility is still at low level,

same as skill training,

for example, we cannot improve aggression further 100%++ if the bravery is still at 30%

we need to improve the bravery at certain value to increase the aggression further.

because to play aggressively need bravery.

this is just a suggestion to avoid big gap in specific skills.

while upselling/downselling feature is still required for us to manage our player and our income