Road to Success - How to Win the Cup

[nikolgiorgos]

I 'm still not sure
My team 1st day


and my first oppo


* I had about 650 unsigned sp from previous season, so my players are more 5* and not 4*
but still with contract players, plus 2 extra 3* veterans, I should have better Cup draw.
Now I 'm in lv 13, playing in a lv15 Cup.

[Pavanraj Selvaraju]

How are cup teams selected for the next level? Like do they group people with similar quality level together?

[An Bainisteoir]

How are cup teams selected for the next level? Like do they group people with similar quality level together?

Yeah which is why the guy who started this thread weakens his squad (4 reserves) before the season starts so he is placed at a lower level.

[nikolgiorgos]

Ok, this is the short story of Artemis, my alt. team, created for playing friendlies with my 1st team and making experiments.


After staying for some seasons in the same level, gathering sources and money, after finding the right stuff, I decided to move on for the purpose of getting a treble. Well, you can put targets put things aren't coming as you expect.
In lv2, won league and CH.L. but lost in Cup semi
In lv3, won league and Cup but lost the CH.L. final
In lv4, was pissed of and tanking/gathering sources
In lv4 again won the league and Cup, but wasn't participating at CH.L.
In lv5 won league and CH.L. but lost the Cup
So 4 doubles but no treble. (This reminds me a friend ).
But let's check some Cup draws
In lv4, I started with 12 high q players and some crap but only two of them added to the 14th squad.
So as lv4 played in lv7 Cup, played with a 6* team against a 7* team, lv5 and won.



In lv5,my season started with 19 high q players but 6 of them was out of contract, so the game added some 3* veterans.
I played in a lv7 again (as previous season) but played vs a lv6 team, which later won the Cup.
The draw was better from previous season but seems that high Q players out out of contract, count as 14 squad members.




This season I kept 9 high Q players and the the rest crap
This draw was better now because I 'm still playing in a lv7 Cup, but now there are many lower level teams, but it's still the league and CH.L. Let's see ...

[Buffs Mad]

I'll do the tl;dr version of Cuip Draw.

1. For the Cup draw the Top 14 players by Q are used.

2. Any player in your Squad whether signed or unsigned can count towards the calculation if they are in the Top 14.

For a team with 14 high players all 3* or higher the replacements for OOC players will have no impact on the draw.
For a 14 player Squad with 3 low Q players, manipulating the Cup draw, any replacements for OOC players will impact on your Cup draw as any replacements will be higher up in the Top 14 than the lower Q player(s).
For a squad with 14 players which include retiring players the replacements will lower the Top 14 Q for the draw.

[vwyuri04]

Prepare how you wish - I'm at level 29 now, and never did what you stated

[nikolgiorgos]

I agree and want to add some more :
manipulating the Cup draw by under leveling is a method but nothing is guarantee.
As you can see above, I won a Cup , when I was lv4, in a lv7 Cup, playing with a 1* higher quality in the final and later lost from an equal q team, having better rates and "troll" conditions.
Same happened in my main team. Won a 3lv above cup once.
So luck and a "good" day it's a part of the Cup too.
In my main team, I won enough cups and trebles so I don't care any more but if I was interest for more, I should keep for every season 3 as possible lower quality players, for many seasons.
These players must always be in contract at the end/beginning of the season.
This thing now, maybe is useful for a league draw, if there are new conditions about "quality" leagues.
Of course, with that way, you can have only 16 active players (if you want to have an extra position for a free agent or a 0T academy, for selling).

[Buffs Mad]

Was going to do a proper test thread but I'll just drop it here.

Here are some numbers.

Team 1
AC Flaky Tanked to stay same level.

Top 14 ave Q last season was 47.1.
Cup Level was 9.
End of Season Top 14 Q was 50.6.
Three would retire and 5 would be OOC. All 11 players were greater than 3*.

In the new Season the Cup Level was 10.

a) If OOC players did not count in the calculation for Top 14 Q then the Top 14 Q would have been 45.5, lower than the previous season.

b) if both signed and unsigned players could count then the Top 14 Q then the Top 14 Q was 49.1 higher than the previous season.

I think from a purely Level perspective if 47 produces a level 9 cup then I'd consider it more likely that a lvl 10 Cup came from 49 than 45.

Team 2
On the Buffs I looked at Average Q in the draw and Top 14 Q of my first opponent. 8 players were OOC, no retirals.

The range of Average Q for my Cup draw went from 97.8 - 102.
My first opponents Top 14 Q was 102.6

a) if OOC players are ignored then the Top 14 Q was 95.5.

b) if both signed and unsigned players could be counted then the Top 14 Q was 101.9.

2 important points to note.
Firstly, I used average Q for the range in the Cup because I'm sad but not that sad that I'd do Top 14 for everyone - but Top 14 Q must be greater or equal to Average Q, it can't be lower.
Secondly, there is a third way - OOC replacement players could be ignored and only signed, unsigned and retiral replacements counted. That will probably be harder to disprove on Flaky but easier on Buffs but I've not done the numbers and I might not bother.

PS. Filler players from the system are either 1Q from 3* (x9 or x4) or exactly 3* (x0 or x5)

[Buffs Mad]

League Draw

Here's the Average Q Draw.



For those that see thing better with stars here's the Bottom & Top ranked teams and mine.





Unfortunately its difficult to find anything really meaningful - there are a few teams in my league with unsigned players and it won't be possible to see what they actually look like until Day 8. Basically, if it was a 'similar Q' draw then it looks like a league of 2 halves: half a league of mixed ability from 3-5* (Similar Half A) and half a league of real crap (similar half B) ie half from a 'competitive' pool and half added from whats left. Bt that's me really stretching things to try to make it fit.

If there is a 'similar Q' draw then its not Top 14. Even Full squad average produced a >10Q spread.

So I can only repeat, if there's a balanced draw I'm not seeing it. However, I do have the gut feeling that the crap teams in the CL groups are getting crappier - not sure if that's normal for Level 15 and over or due to bottom feeder leagues.

And yes, I'll be adding friends for next season to try to ensure a competitive league rather than leave it to chance.

Now, forgive me but I'll need to find a new level of incompetence to stuff up this one

[BeckStar]

How is it guys going ? ;P