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I get a little sad every time I read this topic. :(
you can build a "competitive" team with 0T academy players and 3* retired veterans and have a "challenging" league :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Andrew Nifield
The only difference in challenge is that in the first case you spend a bunch of T and boosters and in the second case none :o
Actually there is a forum member (but not visiting the forum often), Amane Ito, who playing the game like this.
He builds his team mostly with his 0T academy players and have a great success.
If they continue this silly thing, I really start thinking to play this way - manipulating my league by Q.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duncton
I strongly disagree with that, I stayed in the same level some times because of that but doesn't help.
Me tooQuote:
Originally Posted by cookizzz
Nordeus will tell you they have done that so that the other weaker teams can have a better chance, the same 'excuse' that they will probably give for why a team has to face teams 3 levels higher in the Cup. But, don't you think that all this was done to boost the business? Serious users will be put together in the same league, and thus they will have to spend more money (or complete more offers) to gain advantages over the others. For the Cup, serious users will be put to play against higher level teams, and thus will have to improve their team even more if they want to have a significant chance to win the Cup.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
I started this thread last June, after I noticed that this isn't random.
Few weeks later there was an official announcement from top eleven, that this was a decision to make more fair the competition
http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...aw-system.html
Of course it's obvious that's not the reason because if the game would like to be fair, this should happened to all competitions and levels.
The Cup should have a limit in levels (1 lv dif. max), the CH.L. shouldn't have mix of levels (if there aren't enough teams to complete a CH.L. group, teams from 5th or 6th position should promote and not from a lv bellow).
And of course in the competitions of higher levels, where almost in every one there are mixed level teams because of the lack of managers and different servers.
Is this q league draw a challenge for the players to spend more ?
I don't think so. The teams who are promote to play in "easy" leagues, never spent and will never do as they just don't follow the game. You can see that form their achievements
For example, playing the game for two years and having the mongul 1 achvm ? bought only 30 players from the beginning of the game :confused:
This league draw was a reason I stayed 4 times in the same level, meaning not spending anything. I also think to do the same this season.
And it's not only me. It's very often to see managers who "lost" seasons, with their will or not.
In my league this season, half of the teams won't promote and those team have 5* and 6* players.
Those managers, after some first results gonna loose their interest to the league as there is no hope for a title or CHL. promotion or even promote to the next league lv.
They 're not gonna spend this season and probably not much in the next season too, as they already have a ready team of 5-6* players.
So, what for is this q league draw ?
I don't know, some failed idea ?
It's not the first one.
As they give us the space here not only to post different subjects but some suggestions too, I started this thread so maybe some day a guy who is good in marketing get some ideas for the good of both - company and players.
http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...marketing.html
Users of such teams are classified as non-serious users. Hence, they are unlikely to spend money and/or complete offers as compared to the other type of user that are likely to be put in 5-7 stars league. So, on the business side of view it is better to put the non-serious users together, and put the serious users together. If serious and non-serious users are put together, serious users will feel less need to improve their team significantly as compared to when they have been put in a mostly serious-user league. The higher the level and the tougher a competition is, the more there is the need for a serious user to improve his team as advantages in quality will likely be very significant in such cases for deciding the top 4 and top 6. Why can't you see that?Quote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
'playing the game for two years and having the mongul 1 achvm ? bought only 30 players from the beginning of the game' Such users are probably non-serious users. So, it is better to group them together as they will not likely contribute directly or indirectly to the revenue of the company for the case of the league (for example, directly: buy tokens; indirectly: cause other users to buy tokens). But, they may contribute indirectly for the case of the Cup.
Why the selection is done based on quality? Consider the denotation P(X) to be the probability of the event X to occur. For a particular level, P(a team is managed by a serious user) is significantly greater than P(a team is managed by a non-serious user) when the team's average quality relative to its level is greater. The P(serious user to spend money or complete offers) is greater than the P(non-serious user to spend money or complete offers). This is an example of how statistics are used to make business decisions.
A similar approach can be used for the Cup.
P(the lower level team is managed by the serious a user) is greater than the P(the higher level team is managed by a serious user). Hence, P(serious user from the lower level will spend or complete offers) has been increased as he has been put to compete against higher level teams.
These probabilities are well respected for the lower-mid, mid and mid-higher levels. Hence, this concern the majority of active serious users - the major fraction of users that are expected to contribute significantly to the revenue of the company. The probabilities are likely not be well-respected at the extremes (very lower levels, for example level 1 and 2, and very high levels, for example 30+).
Very few serious users use the method of tanking and/or draw fooling in this game. You have seen it based on how you play the game. See it on the serious-user, token buyer or non-tanker side of the game. See it as a businessman. It is clear that the change in how the league draws are done was a business move.
I'd argue that by lumping all "serious" users into one league, Nordeus creates one of two scenarios.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tactician
Scenario 1: One token buyer is more dominant than the rest and the resulting scenario is one where coiners either scale back or stop buying and in some cases even abandon their teams.
This scenario has initial gains in revenue as coiners will spend more to try and compete against other coiners. You'll see a battle for 1st, involving multiple 7* teams. But the heavy coining only last until it becomes apparent that one coiner has the upper hand on the other, whether it be due to outspending them or being more skilled.
I've seen this scenario unfold multiple times.
Scenario 2: The market is saturated with coiners, so the amount of parity leads to no one dominant team, hence different champs over several different seasons. Since buying tokens isn't equating to trophies, managers scale back on funding nordeus.
This creates the problem of tanking token buyers as well.
Basically, my argument is quality based league draw create short-term revenue growth but over the long-term, that growth might not last.
There is one thing that you need to consider though. It is extent of how much the serious users are addicted to this game. So, Nordeus will likely to profit from the drawing systems in this game for both League and Cup, even in the long term until most users are able to see things like you said in scenario 1 and in addition to that, they are able to fight their addiction and other related imperfections. You can compare the role of this game like that of a drug.Quote:
Originally Posted by pcmacdaniel
Most mid-level leagues for serious users will likely consist of 6-7 star teams and some 5 star teams. If ever there is an 8 star team in there, it will be likely that the managers of the 7 star teams will push their team to 8 stars if they feel there is a need for more quality to be able to be among the top 4. Who wins significantly in this case? Nordeus.
It will be very rare that a 9 star team will be added to such leagues; but, this will more likely to happen in the very high levels. So, the serious users (the majority) won't be discouraged so much that they will abandon. Take into account that their addiction and so on will 'force' them to keep on playing, and even 'force' them to up the quality of their teams because those managers want to win.
Also, take into consideration that users on this forum here only represents a minority of the users of Top Eleven. Many users don't much about the game other than things like 'throwing' a lot of tokens to get the best players on the market, thinking that in doing so they will be able to win a lot or things like that.
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This scenario has initial gains in revenue as coiners will spend more to try and compete against other coiners. You'll see a battle for 1st, involving multiple 7* teams. But the heavy coining only last until it becomes apparent that one coiner has the upper hand on the other, whether it be due to outspending them or being more skilled
This season I had two 7-8* players teams so I didn't have to wait much - haha
I hope someone understand it sooner than long.Quote:
Basically, my argument is quality based league draw create short-term revenue growth but over the long-term, that growth might not last.
Of course it's business, real football is, everything is, as no money - no profit - no game - no forum - no chat hahaQuote:
It is clear that the change in how the league draws are done was a business move.
But it can be "good" business .profit + big% of satisfied customers.
Good business and marketing cannot count to some addicted players.Quote:
Take into account that their addiction and so on will 'force' them to keep on playing,
Even the big casinos of Las Vegas, at late 60's 70's started to have shows with the famous singers of those years (like Sinatra or Elvis).
Why ? To attract the big mass population.
Anyway, we started to go of topic so I stop this conversation here.
But Tactician, why don't you start a thread (in General discussion, Suggestions or of-topic) , with which way (of the game playd) would you be pleased - as a customer ?
If tomorrow you would become the CEO of nordeus, what would you change ?
I 'll be happy to continue the conversation there.
We must be on very different servers. I'm currently level 24 but haven't encountered a heavy coiner in the champions league since level 15. Twice I've come across a coiner in league play since then, but neither had a player above 7*, one of those managers also failed to promote the previous season but i'm calling him a coiner since he bought scouts the following season. There are a few other managers I believe spend $10 to $20 a season as well, but don't know for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tactician
EDIT: Sorry didn't see NIk's post above, as I wait 30 min to hit the send button.
Day 7
The beauty and the beasts :o
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and with that way, that league finished :(
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anyway
League 22 (season 80 of TE) and the new league draw system changed this season. A big surprise for every one.
We 're back in 2015 . when we're in the same league with friends
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also as that time, the teams don't have the same quality.
Me, my friends and a couple of teams have 5* and 2-3 6* players but there are also "weak" teams as the old time
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maybe has to do with the new association competition ?
The same here,i have in my league 5 abandoned teams❗
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I have 6.Quote:
Originally Posted by madflo19
But then I also have 5 insanely though teams, and a mid-table friend.
one on one strikers sucks always, 10to10 of them i had they misses his chances and suck with rating i prf not to buy strikes one on one/ freekick experts are great and if they shoots with two legs they are just awesome
* you 're of topic here
Ok, the funny thing is that i decided to stay level so I must be among those 6 worst teams.
LOOL
It's gonna be tough and I must use the fine art of tanking to loose from that 6 teams.
The good thing is that I have many 1* players (but not enough for a 11 squad).
ok, for second season we 're back to the old rules.
Being with friends it's again priority and also there are low q (or semi abandoned) teams in my leagues.
That's good because I don't have to worry if I have a game in my morning time (daily, when I 'm at work).
If it's easy, I let it in auto.
Also it's good to have some super domination and watching some of my players scoring a lot - new record for MAN U and Blacky Grey
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* and back to that,
I have 20 goals in my league and none from mt STs - LOLQuote:
one on one strikers sucks always
It's the third (new draw) league -80/81/82 and things looks steady.
No more same quality draw, it's like the two previous seasons, where friends is a priority and also there are some week, semi-abandoned teams.
I have 5-6 teams like that in my league.
3-4 teams with 4*-5* and 3-4 with 5*-6*.
Nice.
The problem now is the new draw in Champions League :p
All teams in my League are very weak, I'm winning all my matches 11-0, 0,10... I feel it boring...
Its the same for me in league and CL, but it works as long as I am competing in FA tournaments and the Cup. Don't need more than 1-2 tough games per day. I almost see the league as practice for my players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cholo Simeone
I also have weak teams in my league.
Only two of them have descent teams.
So I started an experiment.
Using my (less than 1*) GK in the games to see how it works.
Today I won one of the two competitors
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This is the other and league so far.
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i have a tough league and loving it. like the epl where 5-6 team challenging for the title. not like i use to get league where only 2-3 team for the title.
already our third game i am sitting at 9th with WDL 4 pts.
you dont see rugby score like 5 6 7 10 goals.kind of more realistic score line. result is unpredictable every team can win and every team can loose.
:D I think we should revive this topic , many new users joined recently including me ...Quote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
added in the index*
https://forum.topeleven.com/tutorial...ii-2017-a.html
Why should we buy after 3rd day? Is the league draw is done on first day of season or 2nd/3rd day? I bought all needed players on first day that is today.. I dont know if it makes any difference in league draw..Quote:
Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos
I sold many players on last day of last season to reduce my team strength but bought needed players today that is first day..
Please clarify if it has any impact..
well, this thread is old so you 're right.
You can start buying from today, day1.
This is more accurate
https://forum.topeleven.com/tutorial...in-cup-25.html
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Well I got couple of 110% teams, few 105% (like me), few on 90s/80s.. Im fine with it because atleast its competitive.. I hate facing bully teams who are 150%/160% etc ..
This game bull****.. only care about money from us
From now I not by any token , my team 105% can defeat by 90% team wtf ?
