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    Apprentice iptables's Avatar
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    Almost all the time I play 4-5-1V with short passing, so far my team is doing very good.
    Once I've asked Niko for a speciffic draw ( team with 30% above me ) with a flat 4-4-2. Niko adviced me to try mixed, and if AM say smth bad - change to short.
    That's what I did. No matter I lost 2:1, the short passing really did great job.
    Test for yourself I'd say, and see where is the weak spot in your setup
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    @tomu741
    i do not agree with the combination (for wingers) def-counters-short
    I prefer def-counters-mix.
    I prefer short + normal/attack
    and long when oppo doesn't have DMC.

    But I start a game and then see how it's going on.
    Short gives more complete pass, that gives more shots but efficiency is unknown factor.

    (my thoughts about orders is here
    https://forum.topeleven.com/formatio...%A6-guide.html )
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    But i said for me short doesnt give more complete pass. I played with short 4 games and results accordingly 79 82 82 79(with short lol). Yeah i read those guides but the reality is that its only confuse me more. So you using short+normal/attack without counters? And when do you use def+mix and short+normal/attack - when your opponent is stronger or weaker, or against certain formations?

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    But i said for me short doesnt give more complete pass. I played with short 4 games and results accordingly 79 82 82 79(with short lol)
    maybe your midfield players were in a bad day, or maybe oppo was playing high pressing or maybe this % would be lower if use long pass or maybe the combination with counters wasn't successful.

    short+normal/attack without counters?
    yes, if I feel superior

    when do you use def+mix
    when oppo is equal or stronger , or when I want to keep a result , or when I have a good result and I feel that oppo (even weaker) will go with attack
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    Next time i meet 3-2(dl/dr but high up the pitch)-3(mc)-2 and 3-2(mc)-3(aml/amc/amr)-1. Versus first im going to use normal+short+high because i predict he will play def+counters and versus second- def+long+counters because i think he is going to play attacking and dont have fullbacks. Is it wise to play in this way? And is it even wise to decide about your orders according to opponent formation and prediction about his orders?

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    There are only two orders where you can expect some difference in performance.
    High pressing and man to man.
    Because in those two you sacrifice -10% of condition (each order).
    The others have a tiny effect.
    You could play 10 times (or 100, or 1000 ) vs the same team, using the same orders
    - except 10 times use long pass and 10 times short pass.

    In 80% of the games, you won't see any difference.
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    Ended at 10th position. Thanks for answers but i think, after all, drop this formation and try something else.

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