Definitive Illegal Formation Rules

[Razz]

at least 4 players in the opponent half

!!!!!
That's a new twist.
So, if you're correct, my formation (5-1-0-2w-2) will be legal

[Accyrover]

There could well be something in 4 players in the opponents half.
I don't think it's a 80/20 loss but a couple of times I've played 4-3-1-1-1 with the DMR/DML with red arrows in defensive mode and counter.
Possession was down on the normal % with players of the same quality when played in a different formation.

[Razz]

Well ... so much for theories:


After halftime I switched the DMC for a ST


in nether case was I penalized with the 20/80 possession. So ...I don't know what to think ... how can a 5-0-2-0-3 be illegal but a 5-0-0-2-3 is OK?

[a.cisco]

I played against this formation
--ST-ST-ST--
-----AMC----
---MC--MC--
-----DMC----
--DC-DC-DC--

he got 20% ball possession, from the very first minute to the end of the match, because it's illegal I guess (no wingers at all).

Does anybody know something about out-of-role positions? What if I put a DMC or a DL into the DC position? Is it totally bad?

[Razz]

le Anh's formation:

Second half, moving the 2 MCs to AM

At this point, I haven't a clue ...

[Accyrover]

Sorry wrong topic.

[Potemy]

le Anh's formation:

Second half, moving the 2 MCs to AM

At this point, I haven't a clue ...

Do you still have matches in which to experiment? Don't move the players too much, we know in 5-2-3, 2 MCs are illegal, but wide AMs aren't. Next, try wide Ms (ML and MR) or 2 AMCs.

I believe one of them will be illegal. If wide Ms are illegal, then somehow it's playing the 2 midfielders in the middle row that makes the formation illegal. If AMCs are illegal, then for some reason, the 2 midfielders must be on the wings.

[meis]

le Anh's formation:

Second half, moving the 2 MCs to AM

At this point, I haven't a clue ...

nice... but honestly, who'd be that stupid to use 5-0-2-0-3 HAHAHA

[Razz]

Do you still have matches in which to experiment? Don't move the players too much, we know in 5-2-3, 2 MCs are illegal, but wide AMs aren't. Next, try wide Ms (ML and MR) or 2 AMCs.

I believe one of them will be illegal. If wide Ms are illegal, then somehow it's playing the 2 midfielders in the middle row that makes the formation illegal. If AMCs are illegal, then for some reason, the 2 midfielders must be on the wings.

OK, I started with 5-0-0-2W-3 this time and it WAS illegal. Not sure why it wasn't showing that way in previous tests.
I Immediately switched to 5-0-2W-0-3 and left that until the 29th minute, long enough to confirm it was illegal. Then i moved the MR and ML to AMC slots and played until halftime. Possession remained 20/80 throughout.


Sorry, only 1 screen cap, I screwed the others up up somehow.

Second half, trailing 3-2 I moved everyone forward, even tried to move the keeper into attack but it wasn't allowed! Pulled out a draw - experiment or not, clinched or not, I had to at least try for the league win LOL.

Anyway, I'll play a friendly later on, but after all this i think Potemy's 3 midfielders (AM*, M* or DM*) is correct. Now need to confirm if location of the 3 matters.

[Razz]

Just a confirmation 5-0-0-2w-3 is illegal:


Switch to 4-0-0-3w-3


Switch to 4-3w-0-0-3 at halftime:


20/80 possession for entire game, so all 3 confirmed illegal.

Screen captures were taken immediately before formation change.