how do i beat 4-1-3w-1-1 and 4-1-3n-1-1? I always have trouble counter these 2 formations. At first i thought it is the same as 4-1-3-2 so i used 4-3-2-1 and 3-1-4-2 as show on the table of counter but i lost 2 times. Yesterday i tried 4-5-1 v but lost 3-0. Please help