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    [QUOTE=khris[/QUOTE]

    If you play the football player in a position other than the one you should play, then he doesn't play well at his position, is that correct?
    When he returns to the position he needs to be back again, he doesn't play well?

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    read again the 1st post
    what oppo ?
    what game ?
    there aren't general rules

    * but a classic one is starting with def/counters/flanks
    the others mix,normal,no
    and check later the game
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos View Post
    read again the 1st post
    what oppo ?
    what game ?
    there aren't general rules

    * but a classic one is starting with def/counters/flanks
    the others mix,normal,no
    and check later the game
    I saw Khris talking about going mtm and high pressure whatever happens. What's your opinion bon this?

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    I have wrote about that at post #6
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos View Post
    I have wrote about that at post #6
    The issue is that Khris wrote that the "attack" effects after the update are not anymore there for high pressure and it's just a defense boost with condition lost. So it doesn't make you team vulnerable to counters and etc. Basically my question was about this, if you agree or not by your experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaLioS View Post
    The issue is that Khris wrote that the "attack" effects after the update are not anymore there for high pressure and it's just a defense boost with condition lost. So it doesn't make you team vulnerable to counters and etc. Basically my question was about this, if you agree or not by your experience.
    The update of september 2015 added 2 boosters, one for MtM and another for high press.

    The attack booster, is linked to the High Pressure, and the defense one is linked to Man to man option, both are actually active in exchange of more condition, and both options (boosters) works like the training bonuses, these bonuses of 10% (15% activated) just affect a random number of players inside the team (5-6 in more measure).
    Activate always MtM and High press give more guarantee, in exchange of a higher condition usage.
    Same as the win bonus, that one can say that, don't affect, but it does in some way (a % of win options), too you have the option to activate the condition bonus during the match, what saves condition in a X number of players mainly and allow a resources saving.

    I defended literally, that the orders are not linked to a system that faces the 1vs1 settings, simply the game selects what works and what do not work individually and separately for each team, as you know can be "obvious" that if the oppo loses the DR, attack for the left side but, if the game has chosen by default that you only will have success for the right, then there's no way.

    Too I wrote many times about the mentioned point, that orders are not linked in a way that, are faced "tactically". Some people comes here and thinks that, High pressure = pressure in the oppos field, and that's wrong. Play inoppos field = attack/hard attack mentality and the pressure is like the "effort" or, play calmly to save condition in the low pressure.

    And well, my thesis always has been this, that counters don't work, as the main source to do the calculations are the internal qualities of the players, and there's no guide of how to win in a let's say, a 70% of guarantee, there wasn't, and now that the beatability margin seems that has been increased and you can draw 1-1 vs a -40% these guides works less....IMO


    Knowing this, exist the option to, set the game to "provoke the fail" creating a weakness. As the game set's the match scenario looking at your starting orders, for example in my last Cup finale, after use a 4-2-3w-1 during all edition, I moved the ST as AMR, playing without ST and, x2 AMs, so the game looks this, does the calculations (giving more, or less chances in your favour) and if the game selects that with this setting you only can win, by switching a player as ST, that's the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khris View Post
    The update of september 2015 added 2 boosters, one for MtM and another for high press.

    The attack booster, is linked to the High Pressure, and the defense one is linked to Man to man option, both are actually active in exchange of more condition, and both options (boosters) works like the training bonuses, these bonuses of 10% (15% activated) just affect a random number of players inside the team (5-6 in more measure).
    Activate always MtM and High press give more guarantee, in exchange of a higher condition usage.
    Same as the win bonus, that one can say that, don't affect, but it does in some way (a % of win options), too you have the option to activate the condition bonus during the match, what saves condition in a X number of players mainly and allow a resources saving.

    I defended literally, that the orders are not linked to a system that faces the 1vs1 settings, simply the game selects what works and what do not work individually and separately for each team, as you know can be "obvious" that if the oppo loses the DR, attack for the left side but, if the game has chosen by default that you only will have success for the right, then there's no way.

    Too I wrote many times about the mentioned point, that orders are not linked in a way that, are faced "tactically". Some people comes here and thinks that, High pressure = pressure in the oppos field, and that's wrong. Play inoppos field = attack/hard attack mentality and the pressure is like the "effort" or, play calmly to save condition in the low pressure.

    And well, my thesis always has been this, that counters don't work, as the main source to do the calculations are the internal qualities of the players, and there's no guide of how to win in a let's say, a 70% of guarantee, there wasn't, and now that the beatability margin seems that has been increased and you can draw 1-1 vs a -40% these guides works less....IMO


    Knowing this, exist the option to, set the game to "provoke the fail" creating a weakness. As the game set's the match scenario looking at your starting orders, for example in my last Cup finale, after use a 4-2-3w-1 during all edition, I moved the ST as AMR, playing without ST and, x2 AMs, so the game looks this, does the calculations (giving more, or less chances in your favour) and if the game selects that with this setting you only can win, by switching a player as ST, that's the way.
    Bump as i need to clarify what the condition bonus does? I am reading here it is saves condition for a few players but am also being told it doesnt do that. But instead reduces the penalty for low condition.

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    In some games it works, in some others not.
    But this is a general rule of T11.
    It's what I call the Wheel of fortune effect.
    The game mechanics in every game decide which factor will be major while some other are totally ignored.
    You can play with wingers vs 3DC and destroy the (absent) opponent if the game mechanics decide that formation in this game are important.
    In another game, my opponent lost with a red card his DR. I put all my team from the left side (an AML, a ML, a DL forward in his place, the MC and ST closer to left, I set attacking from the left) but with no result
    It's correct to do the right thing, what looks that it can works better but doesn't mean that the game engine will follow that every time.
    Anyway, you can try and see.
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    Hey guys
    My name raskita, I new in this forum I want to join hehe

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    Haloo.... 📣

    Does anyone understand the use of arrows ??
    Is there really any use ??
    If there are, what are the uses for:
    1. player
    2. team games
    3. How much does it affect (points 1 & 2)

    *Need help for playing on 2019..

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