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SimplySimon Game engine tweaks - you... 07-05-2013, 04:52 PM
magic3 I know I'm in minority but... 07-05-2013, 05:22 PM
Raykco I agree totally with this. ... 07-05-2013, 05:41 PM
xingular A Fault =! free kick. 17... 07-05-2013, 05:46 PM
Raykco I don't understand the point... 07-05-2013, 05:49 PM
SimplySimon My point wasn't that the... 07-05-2013, 05:49 PM
Raykco The point I was trying to... 07-05-2013, 05:57 PM
xingular I understand your. But I... 07-05-2013, 06:11 PM
July Fourth I think the "free-kicks" stat... 07-05-2013, 05:54 PM
Incredipede I'm quite satisfied... I just... 07-08-2013, 04:33 AM
SimplySimon No, you're right in a lot of... 07-05-2013, 06:08 PM
magic3 That sounds bad, I just... 07-05-2013, 07:16 PM
werewolf122 Cannot agree more with you. I... 07-07-2013, 08:05 PM
magic3 My interest in the game has... 07-05-2013, 05:26 PM
FCB I agree with you SimplySimon... 07-05-2013, 05:33 PM
xingular +1 I'm not planning to... 07-05-2013, 05:34 PM
SimplySimon So this thread seems to be... 07-05-2013, 07:57 PM
July Fourth Sometimes you can get a foul... 07-06-2013, 12:59 PM
magic3 good call, didn't think of... 07-06-2013, 01:01 PM
hullabaloo i have lost almost all... 07-06-2013, 02:23 PM
Morgan O\'Bree Statistics reflects how the... 07-06-2013, 03:10 PM
tongly45 i agree with you in 2 and 4,... 07-07-2013, 04:17 PM
hullabaloo i didnt know you'd get... 07-07-2013, 09:55 AM
FCB yesterday's match I did sub... 07-07-2013, 04:02 PM
pnr8555 And why Bradford City gets... 07-07-2013, 10:10 AM
Zabanya Definitely. I have lost a few... 07-07-2013, 03:08 PM
zJordan If I don't see this season... 07-07-2013, 08:17 PM
Ljepoje Well spoken!... 07-07-2013, 08:35 PM
Guest Please keep in mind that... 07-08-2013, 08:55 AM
Morgan O\'Bree the fact that engine might... 07-08-2013, 01:12 PM
Narf MKDII's response makes sense... 07-08-2013, 11:48 AM
pnr8555 Look at this! This is what I... 07-08-2013, 11:51 AM
xingular You can write and write...... 07-08-2013, 12:27 PM
Incredipede Hmm! Sometimes I seriously... 07-08-2013, 07:34 PM
Mario Robertt Excelente!!!! 02-11-2014, 02:22 PM
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    I'm quite satisfied... I just keep loosing against teams which have the same quality as me, but if they're a bit weaker I win 17 : 0, 10 : 0 and 6 : 0... weird.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Confuzzled View Post
    I'm quite satisfied... I just keep loosing against teams which have the same quality as me, but if they're a bit weaker I win 17 : 0, 10 : 0 and 6 : 0... weird.
    Soon, you will be losing 5-0 to teams weaker than you, but winning the teams stronger than you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magic3 View Post
    I know I'm in minority but between my 3 teams, my brother's 5 teams and few other ones I follow, I'm not seeing any issues with recent results or possession. Based on 'how are you doing' thread, I see that I'm in minority. I've watched probably around 500 T11 matches and I can maybe count on one hand the number of games that completely shocked me. Maybe I've just been lucky, idk.

    P.S. I have always thought that possession and statistics in general do not mean much in this game so I am never paying too much attention to it to evaluate the game, my team, etc.
    No, you're right in a lot of ways. I've seen very few individual results that shocked me, but the run of results I have experienced has surprised and disappointed me. One of the best teams in all competitions I am in, I have just three wins to show for my team building efforts

    In the league, the only teams below me are completely abandoned with few players showing in the team (bottom two), or semi-abandoned with players out of position. I sit eighth and the unbeaten league leaders, almost a full 10Q lower than me, play with an illegal formation

    It just doesn't make sense to me

    But then perhaps I have become a mouth-foaming, ranting, venting keyboard warrior - albeit with a distinct Britishness

    Might be time to retire from the forum and stop taking the game so seriously again. Funny thing is, as I highlighted above, since my first two seasons I've generally noticed that the less time I put into the game, the better my team does
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    Quote Originally Posted by SimplySimon View Post
    No, you're right in a lot of ways. I've seen very few individual results that shocked me, but the run of results I have experienced has surprised and disappointed me. One of the best teams in all competitions I am in, I have just three wins to show for my team building efforts

    In the league, the only teams below me are completely abandoned with few players showing in the team (bottom two), or semi-abandoned with players out of position. I sit eighth and the unbeaten league leaders, almost a full 10Q lower than me, play with an illegal formation

    It just doesn't make sense to me
    That sounds bad, I just didn't see it on my end and I will just be happy about that I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimplySimon View Post
    No, you're right in a lot of ways. I've seen very few individual results that shocked me, but the run of results I have experienced has surprised and disappointed me. One of the best teams in all competitions I am in, I have just three wins to show for my team building efforts

    In the league, the only teams below me are completely abandoned with few players showing in the team (bottom two), or semi-abandoned with players out of position. I sit eighth and the unbeaten league leaders, almost a full 10Q lower than me, play with an illegal formation

    It just doesn't make sense to me

    But then perhaps I have become a mouth-foaming, ranting, venting keyboard warrior - albeit with a distinct Britishness

    Might be time to retire from the forum and stop taking the game so seriously again. Funny thing is, as I highlighted above, since my first two seasons I've generally noticed that the less time I put into the game, the better my team does
    Cannot agree more with you. I also shared the same experience this seasons. My brother and I had 4 accounts in total. We both felt that we got way better results when we didn't watch the game.

    My team also had the best Q in my league. I rotated 22 players ranging from 4-6 stars so that I have full energy before each game. The players' morale always more than 90%. I played counter formation every match. I watched almost every match while my my opponents usually didn't. But all I got are some random results without any rationales or logics.

    I also realized that NGE seems to recognize the ways you spend your token on and try to suck ur blood to the most. 1st example: all matches in last season were spread from 5PM to 4AM so I spent some tokens to re-schedule some of the games so that I can watch. Now I realized all my league matches (95% of them thru out the season) were around 2-4AM. 2nd example: I got 2 accounts. Whenever one accounts has more than 40-50 red packs, the team got a lot of injuries (1-2 per day). This has been happening in the last 3 seasons.

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    My interest in the game has not declined due to results. I don't like the way servers are set up. I don't like that with my main team I can never see any 5* players in the transfer market and I have to buy scouts only so I need tokens. Kind of boring. Transfer market is way more enjoyable with my other teams who are on the same server but due to being few levels lower, they have access to young 5* players.
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    I agree with you SimplySimon ... Nordeus just care about money nothing else but in the long it will lose the regular ones and they will only have the inactive people ....

    One more lose or draw in any game ... I am out ... as I am stronger than all teams in my league and CL ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SimplySimon View Post
    Things that I have noticed:

    Weaker teams achieving more good results than would be expected (even given the random nature of football)

    Abandoned, unwatched teams doing better than those with active managers

    Illegal formations are penalised in possession, but that has no impact on result


    My thoughts:

    On the first two points, basically from a business point of view Nordeus wants to keep the game competitive so that you can't just by your way to the top. If you could, F2P players would just abandon the game and it would become a token spending pissing contest

    Instead they want F2P players to be encouraged to spend money to improve their team when it is doing well, rather than abandoning it because it loses all the time. Also, they need to encourage people who already spend money to keep spending it. If your team kept winning, with all your scouts playing well and training well, you wouldn't do this

    For those who play and watch matches regularly, Nordeus knows you have an interest in this game, that you are invested in it and will earn them money (either buying tokens or through their sponsors, I doubt they care which). You keep doing this and they are happy - even if you go through a season or two of not being happy

    To me that seems like punishing your regular users when you should be rewarding them

    To Nordeus (honestly, I hope MDK reads some of these posts; many are irate, but often make reasonable points within an angry diatribe)

    I understand why you would want to maximise your revenue, I have a business background myself, but this seems to be pushing the approach quite far. I know your userbase is growing and no doubt your revenue too, but what about your per customer earnings and your customer retention rate?

    Do your care about existing customers, those that put time an effort into the game, those that build communities around the game such as on this form and other platforms?

    Many are extremely frustrated because despite their commitment, you seem to be treating a lot of people like schmucks. Sometimes your tweaking will throw up anomalies - how about some PR to keep your diehard fans informed?


    And also, illegal formations - why define something as illegal, fix a possession penalty of 20%, but then effectively have that make no difference whatsoever to the result?

    Not only is the PR quite bad, but the actual in game communication is terrible. I've seen many possession focussed threads on here because that is the only dynamic indicator we have as to how our team is doing. If that is essentially worthless, then the game is reduced to pure luck in the eye of the user

    When you get to that position, people will think there is no point playing the game because they cannot impact the result. When people feel like that, I'm quite sure they will leave

    Bigger companies than this one have lost their way, losing their userbase and collapsing spectacularly. We are all invested in this, I think every regular on this forum wants you to succeed as a business and to keep playing a game they are passionate about - passion that is expressed in commitment but also anger when the feel something is amiss


    Honestly, I don't expect anyone to read this or it to have any impact on anyone from Nordeus. It has helped me to get it out of my system, and I think it's a well reasoned post

    If anyone read this far - thanks!
    +1

    I'm not planning to leave the game but definetly I would stop buying more tokens. I miss the last cup for a change of a injured player that cost me 6 minutes and a goal in this (I've never seen a red car for a player who injures another).
    And today I was eliminated by a team that I totally dominated the previous match but I only scored 1 goal. Today, same players, (in my stadium, with support) same morale, fisical condition and I lost 1-2.

    I always see my matches, the other no, I always have irregular results. I can see how a player can win the league with only 1 lost match with a team like mine. And off course, he never see his match and he never have support.

    That's unfair.
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    So this thread seems to be official confirmation that there have been no tweaks to the game engine, which I'm surprised at because it feels so different:

    http://forum.topeleven.com/news-anno...op-eleven.html
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