Understanding role of Luck in top eleven

[Andrew Nifield]

@niko


I'm only going into 6 now. I don't get how you can call something a troll result though. Surely you can only define a game as unwinnable if you can load up the game and try it over and over with different tactics and never win. I've had a result I thought wasn't right, but generally I missed an abnormal amount of shots and they scored their only shot or something. It happens in real life too.

I'm trying to understand what my presence does to the game, whether possesion isn't always a good thing. I'm not saying more possession is always good, I'm debating mechanics

And to Tactician. Luck DOES play a massive role in real life, to say that it doesn't just means that you don't watch football. How many deflected goals go in in a season? How many penalties are given that shouldn't be, or vice versa? How many times does the team get lucky and score a goal after being dominated during the end of the game? How many bad backpasses are there? How many goalkeeper fumbles? Bad defensive decisions by great players? Own goals...I could go on. These are all events you would consider as lucky or not if they happened in the game. As there aren't actually real players playing, you need some form of rolls to demonstrate real life within the game.

You are basically saying you want to take the "luck" out of the game, I'm sorry, but that is life. The "better team" doesn't always win, look at the Premier league this season, and just about any football match you want - luck plays a part. The trick is to manage your team sifficently well so that you are on the right side of attacking rolls more than on the wrong side of defensive rolls more often than not.

If you take some element of luck out of this game, it would be boring as hell. The better quality team would win 100% of the time when people played good tactics, and the same guy would win all the time.

[Tactician]

I'm only going into 6 now. I don't get how you can call something a troll result though. Surely you can only define a game as unwinnable if you can load up the game and try it over and over with different tactics and never win. I've had a result I thought wasn't right, but generally I missed an abnormal amount of shots and they scored their only shot or something. It happens in real life too.

And to Tactician. Luck DOES play a massive role in real life, to say that it doesn't just means that you don't watch football. How many deflected goals go in in a season? How many penalties are given that shouldn't be, or vice versa? How many times does the team get lucky and score a goal after being dominated during the end of the game? How many bad backpasses are there? How many goalkeeper fumbles? Bad defensive decisions by great players? Own goals...I could go on. These are all events you would consider as lucky or not if they happened in the game. As there aren't actually real players playing, you need some form of rolls to demonstrate real life within the game.

You are basically saying you want to take the "luck" out of the game, I'm sorry, but that is life. The "better team" doesn't always win, look at the Premier league this season, and just about any football match you want - luck plays a part. The trick is to manage your team sifficently well so that you are on the right side of attacking rolls more than on the wrong side of defensive rolls more often than not.

It is not about taking randomness out of the game. It is about how much significant it is in this game. If it is too significant, then it is not appropriate.

Also, don't come and compare this game to real life. This game is most probably an 'insult' to football in real life. There are so many things that has happened in this game that is not logic at all to football in real life.

What nonsense are you talking about? The better team (quality-wise) usually lose if it has been managed improperly or used inappropriate tactics (or at least have bad results such as draws or narrow wins), and if it is the inferior team quality-wise, it should definitely lose as there were won't be the extra quality required for covering tactical mistakes and so on. Generally, 'luck' play's only a minor role in the final outcome.

By the way, Leicester did not achieve what it has achieved so far in this season due to 'luck'. There is a lot of work, good management, tactics and so on involved in there. The so called favourites failed due to a combination of poor management, poor tactics and so on. Also, don't come and compare to what has happened once in say 1-2 decades in real life to what seems to be happening like say every season or two in this game.

Many people don't even know what they speak about; they just think things are like this are like that based on their limited knowledge about the subject.

P.S: You have probably thought that I am one of those users here that think that quality is enough to win. I assure you that if it is the case, then you are wrong. I am for tactics and football logic, and not for some nonsense, non-logical things.

[Andrew Nifield]

It is not about taking randomness out of the game. It is about how much significant it is in this game. If it is too significant, then it is not appropriate.

Also, don't come and compare this game to real life. This game is most probably an 'insult' to football in real life. There are so many things that has happened in this game that is not logic at all to football in real life.

I'm sorry, but you seem to be so negative to this game, why even bother playing? It is ONLY a game, just like football. It's not true to life, how could it be? It's a sim - not an insult.

You are making assumptions, based on information you DO NOT have. You don't know the mechanics 100%, as only the programmers do, of this game and how small things can react against eachother.

I'm pretty sure you were the one that started comparing luck in game to real life.