Understanding role of Luck in top eleven

[Tactician]

It's obviously an exploitation of game mechanics. All games have flaws and the engine isn't perfect. As I said it's definately something they should work on. I think you are looking for more than humanly possible on an online app as far as AI programming.

So, if there is a flaw and you report using images that has indications of it, should it not be fixed by the Nordeus?

If there is no flaw or malfunction, and the anomalies occurred due to rolls of dices, don't think that the rolls of dices are contributing to much to the outcomes in this game?

If you were a victim of it where it has costed you the C-L or the Cup, is it acceptable to you? If this has been repeating too many times, is this acceptable to you, especially when you have put in a lot of time, effort and money in this game?

I think that now you will get to the point as to why you thought I was being negative about this game. It was not about being negative, it was about observing a lot of things that been occurring in the past and are repeating themselves again, many of which had similarities and are not acceptable. And also, do you get it why I said this game is an 'insult' to football? It is because many things in there have been observed to go against football logic.

[Andrew Nifield]

So, if there is a flaw and you report using images that has indications of it, should it not be fixed by the Nordeus?

If there is no flaw or malfunction, and the anomalies occurred due to rolls of dices, don't think that the rolls of dices are contributing to much to the outcomes in this game?

If you were a victim of it where it has costed you the C-L or the Cup, is it acceptable to you? If this has been repeating too many times, is this acceptable to you, especially when you have put in a lot of time, effort and money in this game?

I think that now you will get to the point as to why you thought I was being negative about this game. It was not about being negative, it was about observing a lot of things that been occurring in the past and are repeating themselves again, many of which had similarities and are not acceptable. And also, do you get it why I said this game is an 'insult' to football? It is because many things in there have been observed to go against football logic.

Again, game mechanics may not be easily re-programable without re-doing the whole system; which I'm sure thousands would have a massive problem with. There may be a way they can penalize some opponents by decreasing defence or player skills by a % with these formations, who knows how it's progorammed.

I was playing XCom 2 the other day, the game crashed and I had to re-do the level, almost all games have bugs.

[nikolgiorgos]

P.S: maybe your answer will be biased here because you were never really a victim of it, and especially not in important matches.

you didn't read what I write ?

This manager playing with this formation, eliminate a team I had from CH.L. (one year ago, with the same quality of the other guy, 5-6* players, playing 4-5-1). In the next round, he disqualified because of the "away" goal.
Again the program ignored the "illegal" formation.

Every manager of the game can have a troll result but still it's rare.
You can see more games in vent thread but also you can see some standard members of this forum, who just post 1 troll game every one or two seasons.
It's a fb game, not the DARPA central system - lol
But generally yes, it's an acceptable number of fails for me. Suppose that this is acceptable for you either or else you would stop playing.
* That's the definition "acceptable" for me.
If it's not, I 'm just stop playing or doing something.

[Tactician]

you didn't read what I write ?

Every manager of the game can have a troll result but still it's rare.
You can see more games in vent thread but also you can see some standard members of this forum, who just post 1 troll game every one or two seasons.
It's a fb game, not the DARPA central system - lol
But generally yes, it's an acceptable number of fails for me. Suppose that this is acceptable for you either or else you would stop playing.
* That's the definition "acceptable" for me.
If it's not, I 'm just stop playing or doing something.

Rare? If I start since season 2 or so (last year 2015), it will be long and also I will have to look for the images and so on. Lets speak of this season only. My team was knocked out of the C.L at the 1/8 final most probably because of such things. The Cup final, where I lost 3-0, you watched part of it yourself.

And as I said, your answer will be biased and it is because you said it is acceptable. I think that you will realise how bad it is when you become the victim of it for several seasons. So far, you have never been a real victim of it, that is not in important matches. This does not mean that this is the case for others. And you are not a token buyer, so it will be more acceptable for you. So far, you think your were 'lucky', right? If you are so 'lucky', then don't you think you should be in a better position in real life? I still think there are other things in this game besides the 'roll of dice' that cause anomalies. By the way, a user will only be able to stop to play this game when he will be able to fight the 'bad' addiction; it is not only about things that are unacceptable.

Thanks for the discussion.

[nikolgiorgos]

Tactician PLEASE respect what I asked and don't start another general discussion about the game.
You repeated your self. Let some others to participate too.
Some times it becomes boring you know.
It's also very useful to listen to others (in this case we can say "read" the others - lol) and not always saying what we want.
Andrew is lv5 and me in some other threads said that I 've bought tokens from the game.

[Tactician]

Ok .

[Tactician]

Can you explain this: 'with a good "chemistry"' ?
What you mean by 'good chemistry'? How does this affect the outcomes of matches in this game?

[nikolgiorgos]

I 'm not sure if I can explain it through the program but most from my experience.
some examples -
As I wrote some times, usually my team is based in a group of young fast trainers, starting the season as (high) 5* (end) and ending the season as (high) 6*.
I keep this for some seasons till they get older so I refresh the roster.
Many times happened to me, to play vs a strong team with many players from scout list (you can recognize those players). and won rather easily.
I also observed teams like that, loosing from other lower q teams (in different competitions).
So, you just can't buy today 11 scout list players (or simple players from the market) and expect from them to perform good immediately.
Also if you have 5-6 defenders with double positions (DR-DC, DL-DC), it's good to find in what line you must set them .
Also I observed some super players I had and sold, they did really bad in their new teams.

[Tactician]

I 'm not sure if I can explain it through the program but most from my experience.
some examples -
As I wrote some times, usually my team is based in a group of young fast trainers, starting the season as (high) 5* (end) and ending the season as (high) 6*.
I keep this for some seasons till they get older so I refresh the roster.
Many times happened to me, to play vs a strong team with many players from scout list (you can recognize those players). and won rather easily.
I also observed teams like that, loosing from other lower q teams (in different competitions).
So, you just can't buy today 11 scout list players (or simple players from the market) and expect from them to perform good immediately.
Also if you have 5-6 defenders with double positions (DR-DC, DL-DC), it's good to find in what line you must set them .
Also I observed some super players I had and sold, they did really bad in their new teams.

Ok. I see what you mean, and I have observed things similar to that. Now, read the following, and you tell me what you think.

Consider a player, P1. P1 is a 5 star 'nordgen' listed in the auction market.

Team A buys him. In his first season, he performed poorly. In the next season, he was poor again. Team A puts P1 on the auction market.

Team B - a team from the same level as Team A - buys him. In his first season, P1 performs well. In his second season, P1 continues to perform well.

A possible explanation: there is something that regulates how a player will perform for a particular team. The switch is done after each transfer. Taking the above as example, P1 was made inferior significantly (decreased in % efficiency or something else) when he was bought initially, but he was made back or closer to his visible quality after the second transfer. This switch could be a random switch.


Now, lets talk about 'team chemistry'.
Do you think there could be such a thing as 'team chemistry' in this game when you yourself have agreed to a certain extent that the age, the preferred foot, and the nationality of a player are just visual, that is they have no effect in terms of performance of the player?

[madflo19]

I 'm not sure if I can explain it through the program but most from my experience.
some examples -
As I wrote some times, usually my team is based in a group of young fast trainers, starting the season as (high) 5* (end) and ending the season as (high) 6*.
I keep this for some seasons till they get older so I refresh the roster.
Many times happened to me, to play vs a strong team with many players from scout list (you can recognize those players). and won rather easily.
I also observed teams like that, loosing from other lower q teams (in different competitions).
So, you just can't buy today 11 scout list players (or simple players from the market) and expect from them to perform good immediately.
Also if you have 5-6 defenders with double positions (DR-DC, DL-DC), it's good to find in what line you must set them .
Also I observed some super players I had and sold, they did really bad in their new teams.

I agree with you 100%
This is the 5th season for my first 11(young fast trainers),first season was not so good,second in the league,won ch l.,early out from the cup.
2nd,3rd and 4th season i won 8 cups(league,ch.l. and cup)
I think this is a must in t11,to have at least 6,7players for more than 1 season in your team and after you will see the results

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