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nikolgiorgos Understanding role of Luck in... 04-28-2016, 05:01 PM
Tactician Generally, a 'roll of the... 04-28-2016, 05:18 PM
Tactician I have also spoken on 'luck'... 04-28-2016, 06:10 PM
Medo zalata Super good thread :) A year... 04-28-2016, 07:17 PM
Medo zalata I think this game works like... 04-28-2016, 07:22 PM
nikolgiorgos Luck must be a part of this... 04-28-2016, 07:17 PM
Tactician This is what I am saying. If... 04-28-2016, 07:49 PM
Duncton Nice thread. Agreed. ... 04-28-2016, 08:19 PM
Medo zalata Every time I remember this... 04-28-2016, 07:23 PM
nikolgiorgos you mean there is a pattern... 04-28-2016, 08:29 PM
Tactician Strange indeed. But this is... 04-28-2016, 08:43 PM
Andrew Nifield From the way they have the... 04-28-2016, 10:17 PM
Tactician The title of this game is:... 04-29-2016, 05:47 AM
nikolgiorgos well, that's not luck, it's... 04-29-2016, 08:46 AM
Tactician This says a lot. Yet some... 04-29-2016, 11:52 AM
nikolgiorgos Well, there are some... 04-29-2016, 03:33 PM
Tactician These are among my concerns... 04-29-2016, 03:37 PM
nikolgiorgos One other case of troll... 04-29-2016, 03:52 PM
Tactician Ok, so do you think it is... 04-29-2016, 03:56 PM
Andrew Nifield @niko I'm only going... 04-29-2016, 02:50 PM
Tactician It is not about taking... 04-29-2016, 02:52 PM
Andrew Nifield I'm sorry, but you seem to be... 04-29-2016, 02:59 PM
Andrew Nifield When you talk about level, it... 04-29-2016, 03:07 PM
nikolgiorgos Don't stuck to the dices... 04-29-2016, 03:08 PM
Tactician 3-4 players don't make a... 04-29-2016, 03:16 PM
Tactician By the way, what you gave as... 04-29-2016, 04:01 PM
Tactician Given the fact that you... 04-29-2016, 04:08 PM
Andrew Nifield Yeah, I see what you mean.... 04-29-2016, 04:10 PM
Tactician Is this acceptable to you? Or... 04-29-2016, 04:15 PM
Andrew Nifield It's obviously an... 04-29-2016, 04:17 PM
Tactician So, if there is a flaw and... 04-29-2016, 04:22 PM
nikolgiorgos you didn't read what I write... 04-29-2016, 04:35 PM
Tactician Rare? If I start since season... 04-29-2016, 04:40 PM
nikolgiorgos Tactician PLEASE respect what... 04-29-2016, 05:49 PM
Tactician Ok :) . 04-29-2016, 05:53 PM
Tactician Can you explain this: 'with a... 05-01-2016, 10:00 AM
nikolgiorgos I 'm not sure if I can... 05-01-2016, 10:15 AM
Tactician Ok. I see what you mean, and... 05-01-2016, 10:33 AM
madflo19 I agree with you 100% This... 05-01-2016, 01:32 PM
nikolgiorgos check my post here... 05-01-2016, 10:23 AM
nikolgiorgos Ok, let's move this thread a... 06-02-2016, 06:33 PM
nikolgiorgos Some times, this "fix" -... 06-02-2016, 08:16 PM
nikolgiorgos Many times here in the forum... 06-02-2016, 07:49 PM
Dimitri Phome Vegas @Nikolgiorgos do you work at... 06-02-2016, 09:03 PM
nikolgiorgos well, sometimes, this... 06-03-2016, 09:08 PM
nash123 As I wrote in another thread... 06-05-2016, 07:44 PM
talisman Of course there's a random... 06-05-2016, 08:11 PM
nash123 Of course not, but talk about... 06-05-2016, 09:06 PM
nash123 Here is the second game... 06-06-2016, 08:39 PM
nikolgiorgos yes, that what I wrote in the... 06-06-2016, 09:34 PM
nikolgiorgos The book Another form of... 06-06-2016, 09:48 PM
HoofDaddy What's a book? i get your... 06-07-2016, 03:32 AM
nikolgiorgos “Rock (stone)- paper... 06-23-2016, 08:13 PM
Buffs Mad Rock Paper Scissors or Weak... 06-23-2016, 08:32 PM
nikolgiorgos well, i believe that TE has... 06-24-2016, 05:40 PM
Ahlony Wong I always use attack bonus... 06-25-2016, 06:00 AM
nash123 Why Nordeus f*cks me??? :mad:... 06-24-2016, 03:38 PM
Ahlony Wong don't think...just believe it... 06-24-2016, 03:41 PM
HairDryer if you like something you... 02-07-2017, 09:15 PM
GaD In my experience its not... 02-08-2017, 03:37 PM
nikolgiorgos Monopoly Deal , the board... 06-22-2017, 05:12 PM
Tactician It is good to have some... 06-23-2017, 02:53 PM
USARABAT If it's a dice thing ... why... 08-24-2017, 03:13 AM
nikolgiorgos huh ? 86902 :confused: 08-29-2017, 08:13 PM
USARABAT My understanding to the game... 12-28-2017, 02:27 PM
HairDryer Maybe if you go to the "troll... 08-24-2017, 05:24 AM
Jean.Monico Hello nikolgiorgos! I... 08-30-2017, 02:03 AM
nikolgiorgos Yes, that's an important... 08-30-2017, 06:20 PM
Jean.Monico Alright! Another prove that... 08-31-2017, 07:58 PM
Jean.Monico Thanks for the tip!!! I... 08-31-2017, 08:14 PM
nikolgiorgos of course, that's natural ... 12-28-2017, 03:40 PM
USARABAT This is the result of changes... 12-28-2017, 04:00 PM
nikolgiorgos Interesting article but old... 12-28-2017, 04:30 PM
nikolgiorgos Reading this thread about... 01-30-2019, 04:25 PM
IImaestroII Your WoF Theory make sense 01-30-2019, 05:13 PM
TheWhiteKirby Great theory, I agree with... 01-31-2019, 03:15 AM
nikolgiorgos Ok then, let's analyze it a... 06-18-2019, 07:02 PM
EastsiderSG You know I was just thinking... 06-18-2019, 07:33 PM
funker and what we should learn from... 06-18-2019, 07:30 PM
nikolgiorgos In 80% of my games I 'm... 06-18-2019, 08:24 PM
Ludo_Mansio Great post Nik, I agree with... 06-19-2019, 07:32 AM
Anarşi Well, that's exactly the point 06-19-2019, 08:04 AM
funker i can't believe what we came... 06-19-2019, 09:14 AM
nikolgiorgos @ funker there are two roads... 06-19-2019, 07:41 PM
Berlitz I think everyone thinks that... 06-20-2019, 02:06 AM
maloukees Maybe the system wants us... 06-20-2019, 02:57 AM
IImaestroII Well in real football... 06-20-2019, 05:53 AM
nikolgiorgos no, that's not a factor. I... 06-20-2019, 02:03 PM
a.gavrilin Guys, don't try to find any... 06-20-2019, 07:13 AM
Ludo_Mansio If this were true (that... 06-20-2019, 07:47 AM
gogs67 You're pretty much spot on... 06-20-2019, 11:57 AM
nikolgiorgos Exactly I have written many... 06-20-2019, 02:18 PM
nikolgiorgos So all those years I have... 06-20-2019, 02:06 PM
funker nik, i understand you're a... 06-20-2019, 07:55 AM
nikolgiorgos @ funker ok, we... 06-20-2019, 08:51 PM
iansyorkcityfc Obviously the wheel of... 06-21-2019, 03:22 PM
nikolgiorgos check now what happened to my... 06-21-2019, 05:27 PM
iansyorkcityfc and look yet again GK lowest... 06-21-2019, 08:15 PM
Grandef Maybe his mistake was the sub... 06-21-2019, 08:24 PM
nikolgiorgos Some times it's scripted but... 06-21-2019, 05:23 PM
nikolgiorgos I had a CL final today and... 07-19-2019, 05:35 PM
EastsiderSG Congrats Nik, next time i... 07-19-2019, 05:45 PM
nikolgiorgos A +- 10% quality difference... 07-19-2019, 05:52 PM
EastsiderSG You got me curious. Am gonna... 07-19-2019, 06:00 PM
nikolgiorgos As I said in many other... 07-19-2019, 06:41 PM
Grandef Thanks for your analysis. But... 07-19-2019, 06:44 PM
nikolgiorgos No, it's not about the form... 07-19-2019, 07:57 PM
Grandef Ok. That makes sense to me.... 07-19-2019, 08:14 PM
nikolgiorgos That started before about 1,5... 07-20-2019, 08:12 AM
khris 126129 07-20-2019, 02:05 PM
nikolgiorgos no more experts here... 07-21-2019, 01:02 PM
EastsiderSG LMAO, you guys are funny 07-21-2019, 01:30 PM
nikolgiorgos My two semifinals. Before... 09-07-2019, 05:17 PM
IImaestroII This thing affected me a lot,... 09-07-2019, 10:41 PM
nikolgiorgos This many times also... 09-08-2019, 05:32 AM
Kelpie Grant Luck flow ? yeah not so sure... 09-08-2019, 05:45 AM
nikolgiorgos Luck doesn't occur in every... 09-08-2019, 08:26 AM
IImaestroII Ok i will use my case as an... 09-08-2019, 11:32 AM
nikolgiorgos it's not a slot machine, it's... 09-09-2019, 06:49 PM
Lucian1986 Backgammon is a game of... 09-09-2019, 07:14 PM
Lucian1986 Khris, it isn't just about... 09-09-2019, 07:19 PM
khris Ohh yeah, it is a differance... 09-09-2019, 09:37 PM
Tactician This is the problem. Like I... 09-09-2019, 08:28 PM
Lucian1986 Arguments are on point and I... 09-09-2019, 08:38 PM
gogs67 We've gone over it before... 09-09-2019, 10:04 PM
Berlitz If people wanted to play... 09-10-2019, 12:06 AM
Ludo_Mansio So I took the backgammon... 09-10-2019, 07:49 AM
nikolgiorgos I close temporary this thread... 09-10-2019, 05:22 PM
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    That started before about 1,5 year when the devs decided to reduce/eliminate the super domination scores (for realism ).
    When you played vs a very weak team or vs a tanking team (and there where a lot because of associations) the scores where 10-0 to 19-0.
    So they tweak the game engine, presenting the super GKs (plus some few shots on target or 0-17% shot efficiency).
    This thing affected also the "normal" games so after that, the role-dice/Luck of the game became no1 factor for the results, reducing a lot the effect of "right"/counter formations and orders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos View Post
    That started before about 1,5 year when the devs decided to reduce/eliminate the super domination scores (for realism ).
    When you played vs a very weak team or vs a tanking team (and there where a lot because of associations) the scores where 10-0 to 19-0.
    So they tweak the game engine, presenting the super GKs (plus some few shots on target or 0-17% shot efficiency).
    This thing affected also the "normal" games so after that, the role-dice/Luck of the game became no1 factor for the results, reducing a lot the effect of "right"/counter formations and orders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by khris View Post
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    no more experts here
    Everyone went to HEROIC
    Maybe we could find some Vietnamese
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos View Post
    no more experts here
    Everyone went to HEROIC
    Maybe we could find some Vietnamese
    LMAO, you guys are funny
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    My two semifinals.
    Before those games I was facing two easy League opponents 40% quality.
    In the first League game I didn't have good performance but had great stats in the Cup game later.

    The opposite happened yesterday.
    Super performance and stats in the league game but hardly won this time my Cup opponent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos View Post
    My two semifinals.
    Before those games I was facing two easy League opponents 40% quality.
    In the first League game I didn't have good performance but had great stats in the Cup game later.

    The opposite happened yesterday.
    Super performance and stats in the league game but hardly won this time my Cup opponent.

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    This thing affected me a lot, i had easy league matches against tankers then poor perfonmances on important matches in the same day like cup or cl. From next season i will try to use reserves for matches vs tankers, but the problem come when you want the player win the top scorer challenge. So many things to take in consideration now during the season that can make the difference from winning titles or nothing.
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    This many times also happening in the serial of Cup or CL/SL knock out games.
    It's useful to observe the two previous games of your opponent.
    Was the luck favor on his side, against or neutral ?
    Usually the "bad" luck doesn't strike twice.
    We can understand the bad luck effect in a game, we recognize it (high ball possession but few shots, low shot efficiency, oppo GK with many saves, early injury or bookings).
    So we can figure out what can expect in our between game.
    And some times we 're trying to "manipulate" our luck.
    Maybe using our week team in the first-easy game or make subs (even using a GK oop) to avoid a super domination or use 2 tokens to change the hour of our critical game if we can.
    I don't know if setting a friendly can tweak the Luck flow.
    But understanding the role of luck and the reactions of the game is so important as using the right tactics.
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    Luck flow ? yeah not so sure about this as a concept on its own. I find I dont get the trolly games good/bad luck flow thing as long as my players are within normal parameters ie the more mutant like they are the more the weird stuff happens. I have a team where no player has an ability over 90% in any category and results are as they should be , I beat who I SHOULD beat and get beaten by those that should beat me. Formation ,tactics etc dont seem to mean a great deal however so essentially game as a whole is now made for the LCD of player. No point trying to be your best , averagewill be just as good result wise.
    LEAGUE WINNER 8
    LEAGUE RUNNER UP 5
    CUP WINNER 4
    CUP RUNNER UP 4
    C.L. WINNER 2
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    TREBLES 1
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    CUP DOUBLES 3
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    Luck doesn't occur in every TE game but is good to know and explain some weird- unbalance results like that I had in the cup semifinals.
    The difference was that in the first semi oppo manager was present and I set the cheap win bonus but cannot understand how those can explain that goal difference.
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    Ok i will use my case as an example

    many matches against tankers, so high score results , then troll matches after( or let's call then match with poor performances)

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    then almost got trolled in my league match by a much weaker oppo ( i wasn't present , so probably that save me ! ), 2-2 cl match , winning 2-0 1st half , but my players missed manay chances ( cuold be 4-0 ) , then oppo logge in ( without change tactics ) score 2-2 fast.

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    So the " Crisis" started and i guess i have to pay for the previous super perfonmances against the tankers, a 4-0 defeat came from a stronger oppo ( 134 vs 151) the team played well till 60 mins" but with 0% shot eff. so after that the team started to making lot of fouls and oppo scored from fk , penalty , etc. a hard KO for the league. But i guess i had to pay more than that, got trolled the league match after then i lost cl on penalties , with the same result ( 2-2 ) , same story low shot eff% , only my gk was playing good in that match ( lot of saves ), assistant said that " THEY WERE FAVOURITES " even if i was stronger ..

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    Same thing happened , more time ago , when i got eliminated in cup by weaker oppo.

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    SO BE CAREFULL GUYS THESE MATCHES AGAINST TANKERS ARE TRAPS ANS YOU WILL PAY IT IN IMPORTANT MATCHES
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