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nikolgiorgos Understanding role of Luck in... 04-28-2016, 05:01 PM
Tactician Generally, a 'roll of the... 04-28-2016, 05:18 PM
Tactician I have also spoken on 'luck'... 04-28-2016, 06:10 PM
Medo zalata Super good thread :) A year... 04-28-2016, 07:17 PM
Medo zalata I think this game works like... 04-28-2016, 07:22 PM
nikolgiorgos Luck must be a part of this... 04-28-2016, 07:17 PM
Tactician This is what I am saying. If... 04-28-2016, 07:49 PM
Duncton Nice thread. Agreed. ... 04-28-2016, 08:19 PM
Medo zalata Every time I remember this... 04-28-2016, 07:23 PM
nikolgiorgos you mean there is a pattern... 04-28-2016, 08:29 PM
Tactician Strange indeed. But this is... 04-28-2016, 08:43 PM
Andrew Nifield From the way they have the... 04-28-2016, 10:17 PM
Tactician The title of this game is:... 04-29-2016, 05:47 AM
nikolgiorgos well, that's not luck, it's... 04-29-2016, 08:46 AM
Tactician This says a lot. Yet some... 04-29-2016, 11:52 AM
nikolgiorgos Well, there are some... 04-29-2016, 03:33 PM
Tactician These are among my concerns... 04-29-2016, 03:37 PM
nikolgiorgos One other case of troll... 04-29-2016, 03:52 PM
Tactician Ok, so do you think it is... 04-29-2016, 03:56 PM
Andrew Nifield @niko I'm only going... 04-29-2016, 02:50 PM
Tactician It is not about taking... 04-29-2016, 02:52 PM
Andrew Nifield I'm sorry, but you seem to be... 04-29-2016, 02:59 PM
Andrew Nifield When you talk about level, it... 04-29-2016, 03:07 PM
nikolgiorgos Don't stuck to the dices... 04-29-2016, 03:08 PM
Tactician 3-4 players don't make a... 04-29-2016, 03:16 PM
Tactician By the way, what you gave as... 04-29-2016, 04:01 PM
Tactician Given the fact that you... 04-29-2016, 04:08 PM
Andrew Nifield Yeah, I see what you mean.... 04-29-2016, 04:10 PM
Tactician Is this acceptable to you? Or... 04-29-2016, 04:15 PM
Andrew Nifield It's obviously an... 04-29-2016, 04:17 PM
Tactician So, if there is a flaw and... 04-29-2016, 04:22 PM
nikolgiorgos you didn't read what I write... 04-29-2016, 04:35 PM
Tactician Rare? If I start since season... 04-29-2016, 04:40 PM
nikolgiorgos Tactician PLEASE respect what... 04-29-2016, 05:49 PM
Tactician Ok :) . 04-29-2016, 05:53 PM
Tactician Can you explain this: 'with a... 05-01-2016, 10:00 AM
nikolgiorgos I 'm not sure if I can... 05-01-2016, 10:15 AM
Tactician Ok. I see what you mean, and... 05-01-2016, 10:33 AM
madflo19 I agree with you 100% This... 05-01-2016, 01:32 PM
nikolgiorgos check my post here... 05-01-2016, 10:23 AM
nikolgiorgos Ok, let's move this thread a... 06-02-2016, 06:33 PM
nikolgiorgos Some times, this "fix" -... 06-02-2016, 08:16 PM
nikolgiorgos Many times here in the forum... 06-02-2016, 07:49 PM
Dimitri Phome Vegas @Nikolgiorgos do you work at... 06-02-2016, 09:03 PM
nikolgiorgos well, sometimes, this... 06-03-2016, 09:08 PM
nash123 As I wrote in another thread... 06-05-2016, 07:44 PM
talisman Of course there's a random... 06-05-2016, 08:11 PM
nash123 Of course not, but talk about... 06-05-2016, 09:06 PM
nash123 Here is the second game... 06-06-2016, 08:39 PM
nikolgiorgos yes, that what I wrote in the... 06-06-2016, 09:34 PM
nikolgiorgos The book Another form of... 06-06-2016, 09:48 PM
HoofDaddy What's a book? i get your... 06-07-2016, 03:32 AM
nikolgiorgos “Rock (stone)- paper... 06-23-2016, 08:13 PM
Buffs Mad Rock Paper Scissors or Weak... 06-23-2016, 08:32 PM
nikolgiorgos well, i believe that TE has... 06-24-2016, 05:40 PM
Ahlony Wong I always use attack bonus... 06-25-2016, 06:00 AM
nash123 Why Nordeus f*cks me??? :mad:... 06-24-2016, 03:38 PM
Ahlony Wong don't think...just believe it... 06-24-2016, 03:41 PM
HairDryer if you like something you... 02-07-2017, 09:15 PM
GaD In my experience its not... 02-08-2017, 03:37 PM
nikolgiorgos Monopoly Deal , the board... 06-22-2017, 05:12 PM
Tactician It is good to have some... 06-23-2017, 02:53 PM
USARABAT If it's a dice thing ... why... 08-24-2017, 03:13 AM
nikolgiorgos huh ? 86902 :confused: 08-29-2017, 08:13 PM
USARABAT My understanding to the game... 12-28-2017, 02:27 PM
HairDryer Maybe if you go to the "troll... 08-24-2017, 05:24 AM
Jean.Monico Hello nikolgiorgos! I... 08-30-2017, 02:03 AM
nikolgiorgos Yes, that's an important... 08-30-2017, 06:20 PM
Jean.Monico Alright! Another prove that... 08-31-2017, 07:58 PM
Jean.Monico Thanks for the tip!!! I... 08-31-2017, 08:14 PM
nikolgiorgos of course, that's natural ... 12-28-2017, 03:40 PM
USARABAT This is the result of changes... 12-28-2017, 04:00 PM
nikolgiorgos Interesting article but old... 12-28-2017, 04:30 PM
nikolgiorgos Reading this thread about... 01-30-2019, 04:25 PM
IImaestroII Your WoF Theory make sense 01-30-2019, 05:13 PM
TheWhiteKirby Great theory, I agree with... 01-31-2019, 03:15 AM
nikolgiorgos Ok then, let's analyze it a... 06-18-2019, 07:02 PM
EastsiderSG You know I was just thinking... 06-18-2019, 07:33 PM
funker and what we should learn from... 06-18-2019, 07:30 PM
nikolgiorgos In 80% of my games I 'm... 06-18-2019, 08:24 PM
Ludo_Mansio Great post Nik, I agree with... 06-19-2019, 07:32 AM
Anarşi Well, that's exactly the point 06-19-2019, 08:04 AM
funker i can't believe what we came... 06-19-2019, 09:14 AM
nikolgiorgos @ funker there are two roads... 06-19-2019, 07:41 PM
Berlitz I think everyone thinks that... 06-20-2019, 02:06 AM
maloukees Maybe the system wants us... 06-20-2019, 02:57 AM
IImaestroII Well in real football... 06-20-2019, 05:53 AM
nikolgiorgos no, that's not a factor. I... 06-20-2019, 02:03 PM
a.gavrilin Guys, don't try to find any... 06-20-2019, 07:13 AM
Ludo_Mansio If this were true (that... 06-20-2019, 07:47 AM
gogs67 You're pretty much spot on... 06-20-2019, 11:57 AM
nikolgiorgos Exactly I have written many... 06-20-2019, 02:18 PM
nikolgiorgos So all those years I have... 06-20-2019, 02:06 PM
funker nik, i understand you're a... 06-20-2019, 07:55 AM
nikolgiorgos @ funker ok, we... 06-20-2019, 08:51 PM
iansyorkcityfc Obviously the wheel of... 06-21-2019, 03:22 PM
nikolgiorgos check now what happened to my... 06-21-2019, 05:27 PM
iansyorkcityfc and look yet again GK lowest... 06-21-2019, 08:15 PM
Grandef Maybe his mistake was the sub... 06-21-2019, 08:24 PM
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nikolgiorgos As I said in many other... 07-19-2019, 06:41 PM
Grandef Thanks for your analysis. But... 07-19-2019, 06:44 PM
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    Understanding role of Luck in top eleven

    Luck, roll dice, rng (random number generator), good day/bad day, what ever you call it, this thing it’s one of the major factors which affect the result of the a TE game.
    As I said in another thread, those are some other factors.

    Major things
    - High quality of players, in a good form, with a good "chemistry"
    - Presence (and right coaching) of the manager
    - Luck/roll dice

    Minor things
    - Formation
    - Individual orders
    - arrows
    - ball possession
    - supporters
    - victory bonus
    - training bonus
    - special abilities
    - morale
    - condition
    But what exactly is luck or other hidden factors and how affect the game ?
    Let’s see some examples

    The roll dice
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    It’s very possible that there is a roll dice in the duels between the players.
    For example an attacker vs a defender or a GK.
    Maybe our ST has much better skills but here comes the roll dice which changing the final numbers of the battle. Of course if our player gets a 1-2 and the opponent gets a 6-6, we ‘re gonna loose and a special ability of our player can’t help much.
    This procedure is common from the old times, when people was playing board games. Later it passed also in pc - rpg/dungeons and dragons style games.
    I ‘ve played some of them (like Forgotten realms- Baldurs gate or Icewind Dale).
    Our hero in this case, has some characteristics which we developing as he level up and as we play, we find more and better weapons and armors but when an attack or defense is coming, the roll dice adds or subtract points.
    Of course we don’t know the range of the dices in TE but it seems some times, a team can win or loose from an opponent who has 2* difference.

    Wheel of Fortune (WoF)
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    It’s also a popular lucky game and here is my theory about top eleven.
    In every game there is a WoF which choose the most important factor who will affect one game.
    Sometimes it’s the quality but sometimes the WoF ignores the q of the teams.
    Sometimes it’s a good formation but in some other games formation doesn’t affect at all.
    We can see many games where one team is using the most inappropriate formation but the game calculation still ignores it and don’t penalize it.
    Some times happened (almost to every one) to play a game with our players having very low condition (this can happen when we had two games in a difference of 3 hours and we couldn’t log in to replenish the condition or to make some subs).
    Still the team played good and the players performed as condition had no effect to them. Same thing with some player who had a zero morale but still had excellent performance.


    Slot machine
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    Another popular game of luck. When we have a combination of the symbols. When do we have this lucky factor ?
    Don’t know, maybe when a player of a much weaker team, gives an assist to his (also weak) team mate and his scores against our super Goalkeeper ?
    Any other ideas ?

    Another factor which affect the team or the player’s performance is the waveform.
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    We cannot have a linear performance forever, everything is moving up and down.
    They key, the explanation or the target is to stay as long it’s possible in positive areas (good performance and rates) and pass soon from the negative areas as we can’t do anything to avoid them.

    So, every factor, major or minor, affected by the “luck” part of the game, is added in the two sides of a Libra and we have the final
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