Association turnaments getting boring ?

[pcmacdaniel]

Nik, this is a good discussion to have, and i'm glad to see you started it! Overall, I think associations is a good idea, but susceptible to exploits. The biggest issue we currently have is sandbagging, which is a pretty easy fix. I don't think limiting loans to 3 per manager or a max quality of 140% players in associations is practical, as that's punishing token buyers, which is just a bad business model.

For an example of sandbagging, look at Legends Never Die (#4 in World Top 100), whom had two 9* teams and two 1* teams at the draw. A lot of focus is placed on loans, but by buying 8 players averaging 85% from the TM they can change a team with 1% quality to 61%, a 10% jump in average quality of the association.

This can be fixed quite simply by adopting the TM that pro leagues uses, where during certain points of the season, teams can't buy or sell players. And make this the associations tournament. Maybe make it so managers can't sell players and no nordgens are generated, but players can be bought via scouts list and recommended players.

I don't see tanking as being a big advantage. You just end up playing against other tankers, loan exploiters and/or token buyers. All of which are more active and have larger skews on their players than managers with sub 120% quality in general. The most dangerous thing in associations is a 5* or 6* team with players w/ the not important stats at 1%.

[nash123]

This can be fixed quite simply by adopting the TM that pro leagues uses, where during certain points of the season, teams can't buy or sell players. And make this the associations tournament. Maybe make it so managers can't sell players and no nordgens are generated, but players can be bought via scouts list and recommended players. .

No, absolutly disagree.
This season, we have world 11 - THE LIONS in there. Their whole FA started at 5*, because there's a 1* team. after the draw, he bought 8 player from the scoutlist, loaned 3 8* player and has now a quality of 126%. The FA raised up to 7*. This isn't much fair to normal tansfermarket. Maybe you think, 8 scouts are expensive - yes, for sure, but in this way it's only pay2win.

The only thing, what makes me wonder: they were only 5* before the draw, why they were put to 3 7* FAs?


I liked FA a lot, but with the beginning of the loan exploit, it got really boring and annoying. Our FA still playing, because of the 100T every month... and not because of fun. Maybe Nordeus can fix it, to become funny again. But I doubt...


I see another 3 possibilities:

-) completly random draw or
-) the punish-draw like new CL: the higher the FA on the raking, the more high quality is the draw:
world 1 is 5*, so they get a draw with 7-8* FA. -> but if this comes, TM has to be closed during the weekend.
-) prizes based on FIFA list, like:
If World 1 (points 1600) plays against 500 (1200 points), #1 got only one token for a victory nothing more, #500 got 1 token for each goal they score, 1 for each draw and 2 for each win. If #500 win, they earn 50 additional.
prizes can be based on the difference of the points or only on the position on the list.
No prizes at the end of the season.

[nikolgiorgos]

I liked FA a lot, but with the beginning of the loan exploit, it got really boring and annoying. Our FA still playing, because of the 100T every month... and not because of fun. Maybe Nordeus can fix it, to become funny again. But I doubt...


I see another 3 possibilities:

-) completly random draw or
-) the punish-draw like new CL: the higher the FA on the raking, the more high quality is the draw:
world 1 is 5*, so they get a draw with 7-8* FA. -> but if this comes, TM has to be closed during the weekend.
-) prizes based on FIFA list, like:
If World 1 (points 1600) plays against 500 (1200 points), #1 got only one token for a victory nothing more, #500 got 1 token for each goal they score, 1 for each draw and 2 for each win. If #500 win, they earn 50 additional.
prizes can be based on the difference of the points or only on the position on the list.
No prizes at the end of the season.

I agree with you nash.
There is no fun for me, I play only for the reward and not let down my team mates.

I agree with the 1st and 3rd suggestion, not agree with the 2nd cause this can lead to a different type of manipulation.

Generally I 'm not against of every kind of manipulation in the other competitions (that's another discussion ), but at least asso games must be to have fun.

[pcmacdaniel]

No, absolutly disagree.
This season, we have world 11 - THE LIONS in there. Their whole FA started at 5*, because there's a 1* team. after the draw, he bought 8 player from the scoutlist, loaned 3 8* player and has now a quality of 126%. The FA raised up to 7*. This isn't much fair to normal tansfermarket. Maybe you think, 8 scouts are expensive - yes, for sure, but in this way it's only pay2win.

The only thing, what makes me wonder: they were only 5* before the draw, why they were put to 3 7* FAs?

5* association placed with three 7* FA's? Hmmm...., that's very interesting. Maybe nordeus is dropping the quality of the lowest quality team for the purpose of calculating the draw? Or they're flagging statistical outliers? I don't know, for sure, it's very interesting however. I know in mine, we've had bad draws lately, and its a 15% quality gap between our 5 and 6 seeds. Our 6 seed is still around 103% however.