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Thread: Equal quality, same setups, same players ==> SAME OUTCOME?

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    Quote Originally Posted by madflo19 View Post
    We can't wait for it lol
    One time I will destroy you and I will make it a huge poster in Nordeus building.

    Third match
    So third match was done in Milan's land.
    It looked quite similar than the first one.

    Although same setups, bonuses, morales, tactics, players etc etc, this time Clover's defense failed badly.

    I tried hard to identify what could cause this huge differences between the matches.
    All matches should be close.
    They could have all the same winner, I can accept that.

    Luck plays a big role in real football as well.
    But luck cannot bring a close game into a total disaster.

    Anyway this kind of randomness makes a bit sad.
    I would really like that algorithm focuses on tactics.
    And the deeper we get in the understanding of how engine works, the more disappointed I become.

    Pitty, there is so much room of improvement in this field.

    Equal quality, same setups, same players ==> SAME OUTCOME?-game3_overview.jpgEqual quality, same setups, same players ==> SAME OUTCOME?-game3_stats.jpgEqual quality, same setups, same players ==> SAME OUTCOME?-game3_ratings.jpg
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    At least, the score is consistent with the stats. I used to believe that unlike in real life, if both tream use the same tactic, the best one (on paper) loses (Clover). This would give strength to that belief. But recently, I prove this wrong sevral times. Verdict: I have no clue !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gizzmo View Post
    At least, the score is consistent with the stats. I used to believe that unlike in real life, if both tream use the same tactic, the best one (on paper) loses (Clover). This would give strength to that belief. But recently, I prove this wrong sevral times. Verdict: I have no clue !!
    I have not stop looking at the games to retrieve more info. I may find something.

    For example I spotted one difference that makes me happy.

    Central defenders of Milan were more consistent than mine.
    Their rating were pretty high even in the match where Milan lost.
    They are older players than mine, so keep training them in their good stats, boosted a lot their defense average.
    This is a good clue , why Milan's defense reacted better than mine
    Equal quality, same setups, same players ==&gt; SAME OUTCOME?-baresi.jpgEqual quality, same setups, same players ==&gt; SAME OUTCOME?-maldin.jpg
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    I would've liked to add something regarding those matches,but today,after one of my association match,i got this comment from ass man and i said ,wtf i now **** about those associations lol



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    Quote Originally Posted by madflo19 View Post
    I would've liked to add something regarding those matches,but today,after one of my association match,i got this comment from ass man and i said ,wtf i now **** about those associations lol
    Did you have all the morale up? lol

    50% of asso games, maybe more, are completely out of our hands.
    I am not sure if it is on purpose, or it is a bug which miscalculates quality

    After all calculation of quality in association has some extras because you have to calibrate quality depending on levels.

    your oppo was at level 44 way more than you,
    How sure are we that the BIG BUG with association quality has totally been fixed?

    Results are pointing that it is not.
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    [Second team] Angry Sheep FC
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    Assos, and asso games in particular, are just a nightmare. They probably need to use a lighter version of the game engine to allow teams from different servers to play against each other. The normal one is not exactly faultless. But the asso version is definitely crap.
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    I agree about association matches no need to put much thought in them. As for close matches I think the game uses some tricks or little clues to justify the final result. Why did I lose against this team oh it was because x defender or the GK did not have a good day. Sometimes an unexpected red card will determine the reason you lose. Other times are goals the opponent scores on set pieces you can't really complain there as it is pure luck weather the player scored or not. I had a 0-0 draw yesterday after dominating the game 70% and my attackers had all high ratings but they didn't score despite changes in tactics or subs. How was it justified his GK was man of the match. He is higher level but we both have similar ratings. Today I have a feeling I'm gonna win but man I wish I knew what actually happens on the pitch in this type of games.
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