Does anybody think we can influence the game? (part 2) Let's make some experiments.

[The_Savage_1]

The difference in condition loss between hard pressing and man to man compared to low pressing and zonal is significant. If you wanted to prove whether any changes made after the match kicks off actually took effect or whether matches were completely predetermined, a simple test where you compared condition loss of games where you did the whole match with hard press and man to man against matches started with hard press and man to man but changed to low press and zonal as soon as the match begins would do the trick.

[khris]

The difference in condition loss between hard pressing and man to man compared to low pressing and zonal is significant. If you wanted to prove whether any changes made after the match kicks off actually took effect or whether matches were completely predetermined, a simple test where you compared condition loss of games where you did the whole match with hard press and man to man against matches started with hard press and man to man but changed to low press and zonal as soon as the match begins would do the trick.

Ive been asking this recently, because those who played in 2015 remember the bonuses we had associated in exchange of condition,,, so Ive been trying togather more info to know what happenned with these as 3 months later the training system was introduced and we had the 4 10% bonuses...

But thats the reason why I always play MtM and HIgh press...

[IImaestroII]

Ive been asking this recently, because those who played in 2015 remember the bonuses we had associated in exchange of condition,,, so Ive been trying togather more info to know what happenned with these as 3 months later the training system was introduced and we had the 4 10% bonuses...

But thats the reason why I always play MtM and HIgh press...

Mtm and Zonal is a big debate, I played both and won with both. What i can say is:

- Mtm marking if used properly can really be game breaking , but need too much work for the manager as you need to adapt always your formation depending on oppo or else you will get a big lose.

-Zonal marking is the best beacause your team will defend as a "collective" relying more on the offside trap to compensate possible formation flaws ( like a player not marked , pacy players that cannot be man marked. ect... ), you can play any formation with this.

Regarding what The Savage says there is no sure advantage if you use low press/zonal vs hard press , you can stay deep -low press and defend but that doesn't mean you will win , if oppo manage to close you on your half and didn't let you build up from the back you are going to lose. All depends on tactics.

[khris]

Mtm and Zonal is a big debate, I played both and won with both. What i can say is:

- Mtm marking if used properly can really be game breaking , but need too much work for the manager as you need to adapt always your formation depending on oppo or else you will get a big lose.

-Zonal marking is the best beacause your team will defend as a "collective" relying more on the offside trap to compensate possible formation flaws ( like a player not marked , pacy players that cannot be man marked. ect... ), you can play any formation with this.

Regarding what The Savage says there is no sure advantage if you use low press/zonal vs hard press , you can stay deep -low press and defend but that doesn't mean you will win , if oppo manage to close you on your half and didn't let you build up from the back you are going to lose. All depends on tactics.

No no... if it hasn't been touched or modifyed, there was a attack bonus in the hard press option, in exchange of condition, and a defense bonus, in MtM too in exchange of condition.... and both options activated are "always a advantadge in some sense"...

If Im right there isn't a calibration in where to play Zonal gives an specific advantadge... this does not exist, it is only something that affect visualy, but the advantadge "if I'm right and nothing has changed" is activating the MtM and, too the high press.

[IImaestroII]

No no... if it hasn't been touched or modifyed, there was a attack bonus in the hard press option, in exchange of condition, and a defense bonus, in MtM too in exchange of condition.... and both options activated are "always a advantadge in some sense"...

If Im right there isn't a calibration in where to play Zonal gives an specific advantadge... this does not exist, it is only something that affect visualy, but the advantadge "if I'm right and nothing has changed" is activating the MtM and, too the high press.

So you are saying that is like a "give it all you have got " option? i have played some matches switching between mtm and zonal and sometimes is better sometimes is worse. From my experience against equal/ stronger teams i played zonal , beacause with rigid man marking if oppo strikers are faster or good dribblers they will beat your defenders, the only way ( or the only weapon is the offside trap ). I use some times MtM against small teams in other to reduce their chances (that are already low due to quality difference ) so to prevent possible troll matches

[khris]

hmm... the truth is that I know that, training bonuses are applied randomly to a part of players of da team... but I do not remember if these 2 options affect fully the team or are random... I think it worked like the training bonuses but not sure... still but, it can be tesed so easy.... later I'll open a trhead to see if these options work in same way as the 4 training bonuses... this should be easy to spot.

[IImaestroII]

Yes we can influence the match, time ago i played a important cl match at home , we played both attacking hard press and we had same quality( me 9% stronger ), but i draw 1-1 the match at home. While watching the match i noticed that he pressed better that me,and i asked my self, why? Then i noticed from the stats that he made more fouls than me ( like 15-8 ) so during the away match i switched to hard tackling (he was winning 1-0) and magic, he didn't touch the ball till the end and i won 1-4 , that means i really go easy on him at home and he was really aggressive. From there i started to take always a look at the number of fouls during matches, and other stats like pass.acc % and etc...

So yes , you can influence the match if you are a good observer

[nikolgiorgos]

" i played zonal , beacause with rigid man marking if oppo strikers are faster or good dribblers they will beat your defenders,"

don't overestimate the AI of the game mechanics
As Khris said, you give smthing (like more condition loss), you earn a little of something else.

[pcmacdaniel]

Predetermined factors that impact a match but cannot be changed during a match: Condition, Morale, Training bonus, Win bonus

Factors that can be changed in match and do impact a match: Tactics

[khris]

Predetermined factors that impact a match but cannot be changed during a match: Condition, Morale, Training bonus, Win bonus

Factors that can be changed in match and do impact a match: Tactics

I would do a little change in this point... tactics are chosen randomly as effective or not, so one option can be "visibly better" ,,,

then, win bonus can add a random "little chance" in the same % as attend in terms of increasing chances...

training bonus is part of the tactics, activate one or another or have at least the 10% trained, affect in the live match... is almost like a change of mentality really, despite that each training bonus affect to a few random number of players....

and condition/morale can be chosen as decisive or not when impact the scenario.... and those determine "initially" a path that will affect the simulation as the diff' between 2 AvQs... thats a static fact when the match starts... is a "starting differance" between 2 teams that pre-determines a starting scenario...

hmmm....