Stop the bets

[Tactician]

I already said it in another thread (https://forum.topeleven.com/top-elev...tml#post644312) ; this is just another scam from Nordeus. Why it is a scam? Read the following.

(1) The user who will bet will make a loss even if he wins the bet he made. There is no gain in this thing.
The value given back (tokens and packs) if the bet is won for the betting price is less then what the user can get if he bought those things straight from the shop. The user will make more loss if he bet on the favorite team and this team wins, and even more loss if he loses the bet. It is only less loss, loss, and more loss; there is no gain.

(2) The user will lose the bet if the outcome of the match is a draw.


Why should someone even be tempted to make such a bet if he cannot make any gain in terms value for the betting price? It is a loss no matter what. Anyone with decent mathematical knowledge can see this.

All those so-called offers (event offers, bets...) that offered less value for the price asked should open the eyes of users more. Users should be able to see that the company has gone the scam way (dirty business). People should not support such acts; they should not buy.

[Max]

[QUOTE=Tactician;644607]I already said it in another thread (https://forum.topeleven.com/top-elev...tml#post644312) ; this is just another scam from Nordeus. Why it is a scam? Read the following.


(2) The user loses the bet if the match is a draw.


Why should someone even be tempted to make such a bet if he cannot make any gain in terms value for the betting price? It is a loss no matter what. Anyone with decent mathematical knowledge can see this.

I only quoted this part of your post because I only want to address these 2 things.

First of all, if the game is a draw and you lose the bet that is not fair at all, I think both sides of the bet should get maximum tokens.

Secondly, I think they would be tempted by the bet because at a first glance it looks like a good offer (not to me but some people could think it is a good offer, that is just my opinion.

Finally

Hope do you know you lose the bet if you draw? Did you ever try it yourself? Or did another user Inform you?

I agree, if they are making these bets there should be gain for the winners if they win not make a loss as that is not fair.



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[Tactician]

Secondly, I think they would be tempted by the bet because at a first glance it looks like a good offer (not to me but some people could think it is a good offer, that is just my opinion.

This is another thing that makes many of those recent offers more of a scam. They seem make the user think he is getting a good deal (sales-like), but if the value for money is compared to the normal (usual) prices, the user will be getting less for the same price. They are neither sales nor offers, and the recent ones are not even bets for making gains, but tricks to fool users into thinking they are sales, offers and so on and that they will be making gains or saving money if they choose those options but instead they will be spending more for getting less in return. It is called dirty business.

After all this, the intentions of Nordeus should be quit clear to users. This should be alarming to users who are regular buyers in this game. Given what can already be seen openly, just think what worst could be there in this game to 'scam' those users but that are not visible or that evident. They cannot be trusted. Their scam ways are among the main reasons why I have stopped buying in this game. The game is still fun but it is against my principles to support a company behind such bad acts. It is unlikely a problem of marketing nor it is a problem of communication between users and devs; what they been doing wrong be it in events or in doing those so-called sales and so on are clearly intentional but some of those are unacceptable and some are like insults, especially for those users who been paying (buying) to play the game.

The recent changes (shop) only show more into what (bad) direction the company is going. Instead of concentrating on improving the so many already reported bad and undesirable things in this game, they seem to be focusing more on how to milk more money from certain 'vunerable' users upto the point of using scam tricks and bets to try fool them. I did my 'job' here by informing about those tricks in some of my posts. It is upto the users to make the rights decisions.

[Tactician]

This game is also adviced for people older than 3 years old, but this recently introduced betting feature in this game is similar to sports betting. This how low this company stooped. I might sound like I am bashing them, but they deserve it.

[Max]

This game is also adviced for people older than 3 years old, but this recently introduced betting feature in this game is similar to sports betting. This how low this company stooped. I might sound like I am bashing them, but they deserve it.

If I had a child, I would not let them play this game, Imagine you let them play and bet came up and the clicked on it without really knowing what they were doing,

Bank: Hi, we would like to inform you that you have spent €1,235 on 12,000 tokens on Top Eleven.

This is something a 3 year old would do unknowingly without knowledge of the real world.

Just thought of it XD


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[Max]

If I had a child, I would not let them play this game, Imagine you let them play and bet came up and the clicked on it without really knowing what they were doing,

Bank: Hi, we would like to inform you that you have spent €1,235 on 12,000 tokens on Top Eleven.

This is something a 3 year old would do unknowingly without knowledge of the real world.

Just thought of it XD


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It should be for 18+

Because by then you can make your own decisions on how you want to spend your money.


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[NUNO FC]

You have a point there Tactitian i negleted that fact that this game is played by kids in my previous opinion.

Also support the opinion you manifested several times the spetial offers are many times a scam and are uninteresting, they are only good before you make the first purchase, which is my case never bought tokens so the offer was much better than the one showed, i would get for about 2,50€ 10 tokes, 15 packs each and 20 if borussia won and 35 if inter won!

[Tactician]

You have a point there Tactitian i negleted that fact that this game is played by kids in my previous opinion.

Also support the opinion you manifested several times the spetial offers are many times a scam and are uninteresting, they are only good before you make the first purchase, which is my case never bought tokens so the offer was much better than the one showed, i would get for about 2,50€ 10 tokes, 15 packs each and 20 if borussia won and 35 if inter won!

The lower priced offer might look better, but still the user is losing even he wins the bet. For about double that price (about 4-5 Euros), see what you can get in terms of tokens (which of course you can efficiently change to whatever type of packs as required), and tell me yourself which is the better value (price per token)? What are they upto? For me, that is dirty business. It is dirty when some company repetively (not once, not twice) target vunerable people or people that have a lack of knowledge or awareness about something (including its normal, usual market price) to make extra profits. This is just wrong.

[NUNO FC]

The lower priced offer might look better, but still the user is losing even he wins the bet. For about double that price (about 4-5 Euros), see what you can get in terms of tokens (which of course you can efficiently change to whatever type of packs as required), and tell me yourself which is the better value (price per token)? What are they upto? For me, that is dirty business. It is dirty when some company repetively (not once, not twice) target vunerable people or people that have a lack of knowledge or awareness about something (including its normal, usual market price) to make extra profits. This is just wrong.

For 4,99 you get 37 tokens, 2,49 you get 10 to +15/15/15, you are right given the morale and injury packs are worth 0 its really worse!

[Tactician]

For 4,99 you get 37 tokens, 2,49 you get 10 to +15/15/15, you are right given the morale and injury packs are worth 0 its really worse!

You can get more tokens straightaway for about 5 USD on another platform (and also maybe even more depending on your region), and for about just less than 5 USD you can get 100T on the same platform (mobile, Android) but they will be given as installments - 10T just after purchase and 3T every day for 30 days.

But, the scam is clear when the higher valued offers (event offers or the recent betting offers) are compared with the highest valued packages in the shop. In these cases, even if you take into account the less desirable packs (red and blue), you will still get less total value for the money asked as compared to those you can get from the shop on the same platform and even on different platforms, where on one you can get 1350T for about 100 USD and maybe even 1950T for 99.99 Euros (different region).