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Thread: Table of Counter Formations v2.0 - Which formation to use?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Houzz View Post
    butter fly > 4-2MC-3WAM-1 dude

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    direction mix
    pass mix
    How do you know it? Butterfly is weak against counter-attacks through the middle, and you suggest to play it against clearly defensive formation.
    Why do you need DML/R here? Why not 4 defenders (which helps to defend between simulations) and DMC to stop his counter-attacks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toxcatl View Post
    How do you know it? Butterfly is weak against counter-attacks through the middle, and you suggest to play it against clearly defensive formation.
    Why do you need DML/R here? Why not 4 defenders (which helps to defend between simulations) and DMC to stop his counter-attacks?
    This formation focus on mix, so butter fly can block winger then attack winger. 3DC is enough and dont need DMC
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    the problem with butterfly are the dml and dmr when the opponent uses aml and amr (with red arrow)

    this way you need to set them back on dl and dr position (with red arrow)

    so you have a 5 men defensive line

    this is my experience (using butterfly)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Houzz View Post
    This formation focus on mix
    No, against butterfly it can (and should) be played through the middle with defensive ML and MR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toxcatl View Post
    Have you tried 4-1-4-1?
    Controlling the middle (with 4 MC/L/R against his one MC) means he won't be able to attack effectively, and without posession he won't be able to counter-attack either.
    Therefore, set your counters off, mentality to Normal, passes to Mixed and if % of completed passes is ~85 or less, go for Short. Tackling to Normal. Also, you will probably need High pressing. The rest is up to you.
    Oh yeah, in the second half you can also use Man-to-man if you feel like you need defensive boost, but your guys will be exhausted at the end of the game. High pressing and Man-to-man together increase the condition loss by 60-70%, I think.

    This is just a theory, and I can't say it definitely will work, I've never tried it against such an opponent. You need to analyze all your previous games, it's hard to give you any advise without knowing exactly what happen -- what were the formations and statistics, what you did and how it changed the games.

    Please, tell me the result. And good luck!
    Hi, tried 4-1-4-1 frist half and it was 0:0 with a light plus of ball posetion for me. But as i had to win i changed to 4 -3w-3n and lucky i won 1:0 by a penalty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kleinmo1 View Post
    Hi, tried 4-1-4-1 frist half and it was 0:0 with a light plus of ball posetion for me. But as i had to win i changed to 4 -3w-3n and lucky i won 1:0 by a penalty.
    Yes 4-3w-3 focus on flanks like i said butter fly toward flanks too, we don't care about middle and enemy's AMC.

    Sorry my bad english
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Keaton View Post
    the problem with butterfly are the dml and dmr when the opponent uses aml and amr (with red arrow)

    this way you need to set them back on dl and dr position (with red arrow)

    so you have a 5 men defensive line

    this is my experience (using butterfly)
    Don't care about that. The position of them are very close, so they can man marking
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    Quote Originally Posted by shakingmcj View Post
    Does 4-1-4-1 still work against plain 433? My AML is not used to ML so I would play 4-1-3(MC MC MR)-AML-ST. Would that be good? Any better options to counter 433?
    beat a 4-3-3 2-0 in cup today
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    played down flanks down arrow on dmc up arrows on rb lb and rm lm



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    Hi, against a 4-3N-2AMC-1 in the table there are different formations; in your experience which is the best? All formations have 2 DMC...is it necessary against 2 AMC?

    What do you think about the butterfly 3-2-2-2-1?

    Thanks

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    Hi all.

    I'm going to play a very important game against oppo playing 4-1-3w-1-1.

    Has Anyone any experience playing against this formation?
    Any advice would be appreciated.

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