A Guide for fast trainers

[nikolgiorgos]

Do you get +49 hability points in some players with only one practice game?

1 skill point needs +100 to reach. When we are saying +49 or +150 it means that in training the player gets 0,5 or 1,5 skill points.

[VouGanhar]

I understand that, but for example, in this image



your GK has 30 skill points pending, was that in one practice game? Or did you let it accumulate?

[nikolgiorgos]

LV7 p30 Keeping gaining skill points for later – Why ?
Ok, with the question of the friend who misunderstood something, I ‘m gonna reveal some of my tactics. With a lot of fast trainers in my team I ‘m gaining a lot of skill points every season. I don’t know exactly, let’s say avg 80 sp for every player, so over 1000 every season.
I don’t sign those points immediately to the players. Why ?
- I have the impression that if I give the points to the player and gain the 6*, his gaining will drop a little more than if he is 5* player and has those unsign skill points that make him 6* player.
I don’t have strong evidence about that because training results have a big range.
- I wait to see the performance of the player during the season and the games and I decide if I ‘ll give some extra points in defense, attack or m&p.
- I need some time to decide for the plans of my team. Meaning, if I ‘m gonna sell some player, if I ‘ll find someone new young player, if I ‘ll give some extra position (needs 50 sp) in some of my players or an extra special ability.
- For some of my players the contract end this season. If there is no need, I keep their gaining sp, I sign the new contract at the beginning of the new season and after that I give their sp. With that way I have a new lower value/ wage of the player and less contract bonus.
- I already have a good team so I ‘m keeping a low profile for my rival opponents in Champions League (or Cup). If I ‘ll give all my sp and have many players 6* or 7* maybe some of my opponents decide to spend extra money/T and by SOME scout players. A couple of seasons, I gave all of my sp before the final and presented a team (from 5*) 6* just before the match. – Just to remind you, my oppo can see the quality of my players but cannot see my unsigned skill points.

This is a picture of my team today. I already gave many sp to my players because I had a tough game in the Cup with a lv8 good team (I lost ).
In my league I have the better quality and I’m first. No problem. In CH.League I past the rounds and almost sure for the next round. There, I also have one of the top 3-4 quality teams so I have the time to think and decide how I ‘ll manage my extra skill points.

[VouGanhar]

Understood Thank you very much.

[Belvedere]

Fell of the chair when i saw this dude ...

[nikolgiorgos]

Fell of the chair when i saw this dude ...

yes, to bad he is only 3* for you.Better a lower lv manager should take him.

[nikolgiorgos]

LV7 p31 Are non Token academy players, fast trainers ?

Some of them they are just good. Those players are from the team I have in level 1. The 18 y.o are from this season and the 19 y.o. are from previous season. One is a slow trainer while the others are just good but not fast. The numbers are from 3 bars practice match and cardio. To reach some descent quality, needs a lot of green packs for power training.





So, I think the only purpose is just to sell them or to keep them to “under-level” the quality of our team. In that case, the gaining skill points must be given in a special ability or in a second position we ‘ll give. In that case the quality doesn’t increase. Just a little, the value of the player in an auction.
In low levels we can understand easier who are better trainers because of the numbers of the value and the wage. In upper levels it’s a little more difficult.
Is it possible to buy a non T young academy player from a (above lv) team, believing that he is a nordgen ? Yes, sometimes.
Are the numbers (Value/Wage) of a non T academy player from 3 lvs above (so 5* player for us) , similar with nordgen players ? Maybe, sometimes.
So, those young players that “human” teams are selling are only their academy players ?
No, I believe that some times, a team with the same lv, have bought a nordgen but either he was disappointed from his performance, or if he had to many injuries, he decide to sell him. In that case we can see some stats. If we don’t see any stats then the only case is that the manager want to sell him because he have finance problems.
In any case, if we buy a 18 y.o. 5* player that gaining over +110-130 in 3 bars/ practice match, then he is good trainer and we can keep him no matter if he is nordgen or academy player from other team.

[nikolgiorgos]

Level 7 to Level 8 p33
Summary

Now that I have finished level 7 and I went to 8, I ‘m gonna make a summary for a friend.

In the game there are some fast trainers (nordgen).
Meaning that in training, they can gain much more than other players.
Those players, if the are 5*, they can reach easy the first red star and with a little more training, their 7* in that season.
So they can raise the quality of the team and bring victories, specially if they perform good in the games.
Those players must be young, 18-21 y.o. because after that age, their gain ability slowing down year by year.

How can we find those players ? Well, there is an indicator, a factor that comes by VALUE/WAGE of the player. The bigger, the better.
Let’s see some numbers from level to level.
Those are the most expensive 5* players in those levels and they are the faster ones.
For these players we are interesting for - because those can give our team the added value we want so that we can go for titles or good a course.

(* I added on the next columns the VALUE & WAGE of scout list players of that season)

lev 1: max q24 2,5-3,3 M WAGE 15-20K-------->Factor 3000/15=200.......400K-1,3M_____25-40K
lev 2: max q29 3,5-4 M WAGE 30-50K------->Factor 4000/30=133...........800-2M ______60-80K
lev3: max q34 5,5-6 M WAGE 80-100K-------->Factor 6000/80=75..........3M_________140K
lev4: max q39 7.5-8 M WAGE 140-160K------->Factor 8000/140=57........3M-5M____160-240K
lv 5 max q44 max 10-11M WAGE 220-260K------->Factor 11000/220=51..........6,5 M _____280-400K
lv6 - max q49 max 12-15M WAGE 330-370K-------->Factor 15000/330=45..........5-9M_____450-560K
lv7 - max q 54 max 17-19M WAGE 500-540K-------->Factor 19000/540=35.........11-12M_____700
lv 8 - max q 59 - max 24-25M WAGE 700-820K------>Factor 24000/700=32........14-18M______1M
lv 9 - max q 64 - max 31-32M WAGE 1 M-------->Factor 30M/1M =30................. 22M_______ 1,7M
lv 10 - max q69 - max 38-39M WAGE 1,4 M-------->Factor 39M/1,4M=28 .............25M________2M
lv 11 - max q74 - max 48-50M WAGE 1,9M--------->Factor 50M/1,9M=26.............34M________2,5M
lv12 - max q79 - max 59-61M WAGE 2,5M--------->Factor 59M/2,5M=22.............40M________3M
lv13 - max q84 - max 73-75M WAGE 3,2M--------->Factor 73M/3,2M=22
lv 14- max q89 - max 83-86M WAGE 3,9M--------->Factor 83M/3,9M=21
lv 15- max q94 - max 90-92M WAGE 4,9M--------->Factor 91M/4,9M=19
lv 16- max q99 - max 104M WAGE 6M----------->Factor 104M/6M=17,5
lv 17- max q104 - max 105M WAGE 7,7M--------->Factor 105M/7M=15
lv 18- max q109 - max 106M WAGE 9M----------->Factor 106M/9M=12
lv 19- max q114 - max 106M WAGE 11M
lv 20- max q119 - max 107M WAGE 13M
lv 21- max q124 - max 107M WAGE 15M
lv 22- max q129 - max 108M WAGE 17M
lv 23- max q134 - max 108-109 M WAGE 19M
lv 24- max q139 - max 109M WAGE 24M
lv 25- max q144 - max 110M WAGE 29M--------->Factor
lv 26- max q149 - max 110M WAGE 32M--------->Factor
lv 27- max q154 - max 110-111M WAGE 32M--------->Factor
lv 28- max q159 - max 111-112 M WAGE 42M
lv 29- max q164 - max 113M WAGE 43M--------->Factor
lv 30- max q169 - max 113M WAGE 44M
lv 31- max q174 - max 114M WAGE 44M--------->Factor
lv 32- max q179 - max 115M WAGE 45M--------->Factor
lv 33- max q184 - max 126M WAGE 47M
lv 34- max q189 - max 127M WAGE 47M
lv 35- max q194 - max 127M WAGE 47M

lv 39- max q214 - max 127M WAGE 49M


So, we can see that in low levels it’s easier to detect who are fast trainers.


These are about the best training factor values in those levels.
Players with or near those Values are fast trainers.
5* players with similar factors and little lower are very good trainers.

VALUE/WAGE it's only an indicator to recognize a fast trainer, not the reason which is a fast trainer.
Also must be the original - the numbers that a player has when he 's coming in the game for first time,
meaning that the player must be :
- a nordgen (player from non human team –bot teams with names like Husky-Madly- Buggy-Strong).
- an academy player (maybe the faster trainers –not the free- but only 3-4* players).
- a player from a first time created team (your's it's only sure).

Some other observations :
A 5* player if having over +100 in 3 bars/practice match, is a fast trainer.

There is a variation in the numbers of gaining from training to training for the same player.
Sometimes +80, sometimes +130 (in 3 bars , practice ).

Players not so expensive, but with values -20%, -30% down, are also good trainers but not so fast as the more expensive.
As our player is gaining skill points and becoming a 6* or 7* players, his gaining ability is dropping gradually.
If we ‘re giving skill points to a special ability or an extra position, his ability doesn’t drop yet.

3* or 4* players are faster than 5* players but it’s more difficult to raise their level to 5-6-7* in a season. Needs power training, meaning extra green packs and more training every day.

Nordgen for players from higher levels

The train factor (Value/wage or the variety in the Values of the young players) doesn’t exist in high levels so the clues we can have to find a nordgen/fast trainer are
- The time : usually near 04.00 – 06.00 GMT
- 1st day of the season for sure. Also the days that there are new scout/list players it’s more common to find.
- No stats, almost equal ability prices (Defense/Attack/M&P) and not a premium jersey
- The name of the (bot) team, names like Buggy, Dusky / names from colors, adjective names like Strong, Ambitious.

We cannot be sure about that, so the only thing to be sure is after we buy the player, to check the name of the previous team. If we see the message that there is no info available, then we know it was from a bot team.
- Age between 18-19 with the highest Value price –the problem with that is that we don’t know if we bought a 1st class nordgen or a 2nd class, so we don’t know if he will gaining an avg of +100 to +120, or a +80 to +100. We ‘ll see it later in training.
- Also I can add from my experience that nordgen quality is Q3/Q4 or Q8/Q9 while academy players (0 Token) have usually Q0/Q1/Q2 or Q5/Q6.
* this is the more often, but not a rule.

Don’t forget to refresh the page (or the button) because a nordgen can appear some other time.

Added 2017
Ok guys, let me explain few things.
This guide and this summary was written in old T11 when in the market were only few nordgens (nordeus generated players).
So this factor of value/price was helping not only to detect the nordgen fast trainers but players-fast trainers from other (human) teams too.
For example 2* academy players from teams 3 levels above - which are not all fast trainers.
Now were the market has only nordgens, you don't need to look for this factor, just try to find players close to the higher value of that level.
This board is still accurate about this.
Also it doesn't need to check specific hours. Now there are nordgens 24 hours a day. Just check the market often.

When you find and buy a nordgen, give him a (random) set of drills with condition loss 15-18% while you start an extra position or sa.
If he can get +1 in every set (give him 3-4 times this set, for testing), he is a fast trainer.

High quality (recommended players of 118%) and age (players above 21 y.o.) , still are "negative" factors of gaining.

[cirkat07]

Level 7 to Level 8 p33
Summary


lev 1: max q24 2,5-3,3 M WAGE 15-20K-------->Factor 3000/15=200.......400K-1,3M_____25-40K
lev 2: max q29 3,5-4 M WAGE 30-50K------->Factor 4000/30=133...........800-2M ______60-80K
lev3: max q34 5,5-6 M WAGE 80-100K-------->Factor 6000/80=75..........3M_________140K
lev4: max q39 7.5-8 M WAGE 140-160K------->Factor 8000/140=57........3M-5M____160-240K
lv 5 max q44 max 10-11M WAGE 220-260K------->Factor 11000/220=51..........6,5 M _____280-400K
lv6 - max q49 max 12-15M WAGE 330-370K-------->Factor 15000/330=45..........5-9M_____450-560K
lv7 - max q 54 max 17-19M WAGE 500-540K-------->Factor 19000/540=35.........11-12M_____700
lv 8 - max q 59 - max 24-25M WAGE 700-820K------>Factor 24000/700=32........14-18M______1M
lv 9 - max q 64 - max 31-32M WAGE 1 M-------->Factor 30M/1M =30................. 22M_______ 1,7M
lv 10 - max q69 - max 38-39M WAGE 1,4 M-------->Factor 39M/1,4M=28 .............25M________2M
lv 11 - max q74 - max 48-50M WAGE 1,9M--------->Factor 50M/1,9M=26.............34M________2,5M
lv12 - max q79 - max 59-61M WAGE 2,5M--------->Factor 59M/2,5M=22.............40M________3M
lv13 - max q84 - max 73-75M WAGE 3,2M--------->Factor 73M/3,2M=22
lv 14- max q89 - max 83-86M WAGE 3,9M--------->Factor 83M/3,9M=21
lv 15- max q94 - max 90-92M WAGE 4,9M--------->Factor 91M/4,9M=19
lv 16- max q99 - max 104M WAGE 6M----------->Factor 104M/6M=17,5
lv 17- max q104 - max 105M WAGE 7,7M--------->Factor 105M/7M=15
lv 18- max q109 - max 106M WAGE 9M----------->Factor 106M/9M=12
lv 19- max q114 - max 106M WAGE 11M
lv 20- max q119 - max 107M WAGE 13M
lv 21- max q124 - max 107M WAGE 15M
lv 22- max q129 - max 108M WAGE 17M
lv 23- max q134 - max 108-109 M WAGE 19M
lv 24- max q139 - max 109M WAGE 24M
lv 25- max q144 - max 110M WAGE 29M--------->Factor
lv 26- max q149 - max 110M WAGE 32M--------->Factor
lv 27- max q154 - max 110-111M WAGE 32M--------->Factor
lv 28- max q159 - max 111-112 M WAGE 42M
lv 29- max q164 - max 113M WAGE 43M--------->Factor
lv 30- max q169 - max 113M WAGE 44M
lv 31- max q174 - max 114M WAGE 44M--------->Factor
lv 32- max q179 - max 115M WAGE 45M--------->Factor
lv 33- max q184 - max 126M WAGE 47M
lv 34- max q189 - max 127M WAGE 47M
lv 35- max q194 - max 127M WAGE 47M

lv 39- max q214 - max 127M WAGE 49M

I hope you guys can make me understand this.

I am going to be level 12 next season and I've just took an abandoned team and I want to play with it, build it, etc.

So I want to focus more on fast trainers, now let me see if I got it right.

As a LEVEL 12 the max I should pay for a player would be around 59-61M Cash, his wage should be around 2,5M or less, so the factor for a good fast trainer should be 22 or higher, or a bit less.

I am wrong? If yes, can you explain to me please?

[cirkat07]

Level 7 to Level 8 p33
Summary


lev 1: max q24 2,5-3,3 M WAGE 15-20K-------->Factor 3000/15=200.......400K-1,3M_____25-40K
lev 2: max q29 3,5-4 M WAGE 30-50K------->Factor 4000/30=133...........800-2M ______60-80K
lev3: max q34 5,5-6 M WAGE 80-100K-------->Factor 6000/80=75..........3M_________140K
lev4: max q39 7.5-8 M WAGE 140-160K------->Factor 8000/140=57........3M-5M____160-240K
lv 5 max q44 max 10-11M WAGE 220-260K------->Factor 11000/220=51..........6,5 M _____280-400K
lv6 - max q49 max 12-15M WAGE 330-370K-------->Factor 15000/330=45..........5-9M_____450-560K
lv7 - max q 54 max 17-19M WAGE 500-540K-------->Factor 19000/540=35.........11-12M_____700
lv 8 - max q 59 - max 24-25M WAGE 700-820K------>Factor 24000/700=32........14-18M______1M
lv 9 - max q 64 - max 31-32M WAGE 1 M-------->Factor 30M/1M =30................. 22M_______ 1,7M
lv 10 - max q69 - max 38-39M WAGE 1,4 M-------->Factor 39M/1,4M=28 .............25M________2M
lv 11 - max q74 - max 48-50M WAGE 1,9M--------->Factor 50M/1,9M=26.............34M________2,5M
lv12 - max q79 - max 59-61M WAGE 2,5M--------->Factor 59M/2,5M=22.............40M________3M
lv13 - max q84 - max 73-75M WAGE 3,2M--------->Factor 73M/3,2M=22
lv 14- max q89 - max 83-86M WAGE 3,9M--------->Factor 83M/3,9M=21
lv 15- max q94 - max 90-92M WAGE 4,9M--------->Factor 91M/4,9M=19
lv 16- max q99 - max 104M WAGE 6M----------->Factor 104M/6M=17,5
lv 17- max q104 - max 105M WAGE 7,7M--------->Factor 105M/7M=15
lv 18- max q109 - max 106M WAGE 9M----------->Factor 106M/9M=12
lv 19- max q114 - max 106M WAGE 11M
lv 20- max q119 - max 107M WAGE 13M
lv 21- max q124 - max 107M WAGE 15M
lv 22- max q129 - max 108M WAGE 17M
lv 23- max q134 - max 108-109 M WAGE 19M
lv 24- max q139 - max 109M WAGE 24M
lv 25- max q144 - max 110M WAGE 29M--------->Factor
lv 26- max q149 - max 110M WAGE 32M--------->Factor
lv 27- max q154 - max 110-111M WAGE 32M--------->Factor
lv 28- max q159 - max 111-112 M WAGE 42M
lv 29- max q164 - max 113M WAGE 43M--------->Factor
lv 30- max q169 - max 113M WAGE 44M
lv 31- max q174 - max 114M WAGE 44M--------->Factor
lv 32- max q179 - max 115M WAGE 45M--------->Factor
lv 33- max q184 - max 126M WAGE 47M
lv 34- max q189 - max 127M WAGE 47M
lv 35- max q194 - max 127M WAGE 47M

lv 39- max q214 - max 127M WAGE 49M

I hope you guys can make me understand this.

I am going to be level 12 next season and I've just took an abandoned team and I want to play with it, build it, etc.

So I want to focus more on fast trainers, now let me see if I got it right.

As a LEVEL 12 the max I should pay for a player would be around 59-61M Cash, his wage should be around 2,5M or less, so the factor for a good fast trainer should be 22 or higher, or a bit less.

I am wrong? If yes, can you explain to me please?

someone could help me please?