A Guide for fast trainers

[Shire]

Niko.

Whats your experience with academy players, are they generally fast trainers?

Got a 80% GK today for 14T that im tempted to train up and keep for many seasons to come.

[nikolgiorgos]

At the old times (before the update of the academy players), for the most expensive players it was almost a guarantee that the higher (token) value players were very fast trainers.
Now it's not sure.
I have an example here #385
https://forum.topeleven.com/tutorial...ainers-39.html
were my 14T player isn't a 1st class fast trainer, but 2nd class.

Meaning the 1st gets 5 skills, the 2nd gets 4 skills (avg/training).

But still he isn't slow trainer.
Some more examples of academy players here
https://forum.topeleven.com/tutorial...e-help-me.html

tips
* if you want to add sa, give one to one, not penalty specialist. It's better.
Gonna cost about 40-50 greens.
And do it now, not after giving skills to quality.

** If you re gonna make power-training, avoid to use him in the next days.
Usually hard training players don't perform well and I guess you have some critical games ahead.

[Shire]

Cheers Niko!

I won't use him until next season so will add SA the moment the new season start, then train him.

I did 4x goalkeeper training and he gained 4 skills. Haven't been arsed testing more yet, just got him today, but that seems promising.

EDIT :

And while on the subject. Is penalty saver even working? My current GK is one. I got a penalty against me last week and there was no sign during simulation that he is penalty saver.

I didn't make much of that until yesterday.
Then i got a penalty myself, the opposing GK was a one on one, and that sign was shown during the penalty... Odd?

[iGude]

Hey Niko,
did i get it right, that the gain in skills by training depends (besides other factors) on the Star-Level of the player but NOT on the level of the skill itself?
For example:

A 5* player has a greater gaining in Skills (for example: "Speed") than a 6* Player.

BUT

A 5*Player with the Skill "Speed" at 210% gains as much as a 5* Player with only 90% Speed-Skill

Is that correct?

[nikolgiorgos]

A 5*Player with the Skill "Speed" at 210% gains as much as a 5* Player with only 90% Speed-Skill
Is that correct?

yes correct
proof ?
many (18 yo) young fast trainers, after 2-3 seasons of power-training, usually have abnormal skills
For example a ST could have 300% at shooting/ finishing and 30% at tackling.
So yes, he will have the same progress with a new 18 yo (same q) fast trainer with balanced skills.

[iGude]

thank you für the answer!

[nikolgiorgos]

p70 LV30
End of an era

So this season (92) old version is no longer available.
Not only this but we have a new auction system.
That means many things of this guide have changed.
The critical ones are :
All the players are "nordgens" now (but not all are fast trainers).
We can find nordgens and possible fast trainers, every time of the day.
So what we can do ? Not much, buy and try.

Yesterday (1st day of the season) I bought a young MC, at night time (22.00) with 1 token.
I can say by accident, I didn't want him


So I made a test, using a set that gives -15% condition loss.
Used it 4 times and gave 7+3+4+3=17 skills, so about 4 old s.p.
A prove of a fast trainer.
And then I sold him with about the same price (also to a bot team).

[ibangali]

So I made a test, using a set that gives -15% condition loss.
Used it 4 times and gave 7+3+4+3=17 skills, so about 4 old s.p.
A prove of a fast trainer.

Hi nik, this is a screenshot of my 0T academy MC, whom I sign today and run same drill exactly same way you did on above [#447]; gain 4+3+6+5=18 skills, -15% CL, What do you think



btw, only 'stretch' drill is 2 whistle and rest drills on the set were world class [stretch+PGS+FCA+PTP+ST+SD]



main downside for this player is low Q, need tons of green

[nikolgiorgos]

For sure he is a slow trainer (for his age).
My player got those skills while he is a (high) 5* player when yours is 2*
The lower the stars, the more must be the gaining.
So Molina should hit not less than 7 skills (avg) in every pack, to consider him as a fast trainer.
I would try to make him 39% quality (for negotiation list) and maybe if have some descent offer of 2-3 T to sell him.
* without spending extra greens for him.

[ibangali]

That's I'm going to do because selling players on TM is pain now.
Thanks