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    LV3 p7 day19 “ The incredible HULK “ part 2
    Ok ,thanks for posts.
    If HULK was younger maybe I would keep the sk.points for next season but in a few days he ‘ll have his birthday (22 y.o.) so his training raise will drop a lot. So the (clever) trick Khris mention about giving him an ability to low his (unsigned) quality is pointless.
    If he was 1 year younger, a good ability for an ML/AML is Shadow Striker, but Hulk act already as he has it. If you see he’s goals, he’s scoring many times from 20m away. Also dribbling a lot. I’m playing 4-4-2 and using him as an ML with red arrows or AML during the game.
    Here my friend, enjoy your red star for the remaining few days.

    A Guide for fast trainers-hulk-6-stars.jpg

    As you can see the Value now become 3,6 M from 1,84 M and the wage stayed the same. Important ! before you assign so much skill points chq the contract. If it’s last year, sign a new contract because after assigning, the wage will blow up.
    Now he has a bigger TR FACTOR , from 47,18 to 3.600/39=92,3 but it’s not the original. Time for some observations .
    Skill points : the good thing with fast trainers is that the gaining skill points can be used to build your player as you want. To “fit” the player into your style. So I didn’t use “AUTO ASSIGN” button (equal to 3 categories) but I give him 50 points to ATTACK, 40 points to P&M and 15 points to DEFENSE.
    Attack HULK … Attack .

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    LV3 p6 d18 “Injuries : the nightmare of a fast trainer”

    Last few days the team suffering from injuries, as you can see (and I had also RIVALDO the previous day)

    A Guide for fast trainers-injuries-10-10-2014.jpg

    my hospital

    A Guide for fast trainers-injuries-2.jpg

    I believe that a fast trainer must be fixed asap.
    Her you can see how Ronaldinho became after a six days injury. He was full in greens when it happened. I’m using him as AMC but in a secondary formation so with the fact that he isn’t fast trainer and I’m sort of reds, I let him in the hospital.

    A Guide for fast trainers-injury-ronaldinho.jpg

    That’s meaning 6-7 green boosters, 2 morale boosters and 4 skill points (for a fast trainer) per day= 24 lost skill points. So give him 15 reds and everything is ok. The problem is if you don’t have them or in my case there is a jinx in the team.
    Why is it happening ?
    I don’t know (those players were in green condition and morale and the injuries happened in games). Maybe :
    I’m having 2 matches a day (one difficult in CH.L and CUP, final 8).
    Some saying “big brother” is watching you …
    Bad luck ?
    Maybe many of my opponents trying to beat me set the orders in Hard Tackling ?
    I’m playing Normal and when I see that I’m winning the game, I put it to Easy so avoid injuries and win the red pack.
    In a game I was winning 5-0, Ronaldinho, who is the oldest, 26 y.o. and scored 2 goals, went in 82’ min to talk to the referee
    Yellow card – lost pack. Not in real life man …

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    Sorry but that looks like a bad example. His value is too low as a 5* '2Q away from 6' player to be a fast trainer, regardless of wage.

    I bought a 13.2m DC/DR 5* 46Q player last week Wage of 310k. So thats a TR of 42.58. I'd estimate if he was 49Q he'd be well up near the 15m mark (which is a better indicator of training gains if TR is over 35ish)

    From what I've skimmed from your opening couple of posts Gough would not be a fast trainer.

    (Not power trained him or anything but I have used free packs on him and played him. Since I saw your request/post the other day I decided to throw a few packs at him. Only did 3 sessions yesterday and 1 today (I don't do repetitive Stretchings because I find the injury rate for those is too much so just Stetch, Cardio and Practice on hard).)

    The last 4 Hard Match Practice sessions I recorded since I saw your request was 142, 102, 114, 132.

    I don't have a SS of the signing MV but I do have his cost in my Club overview and current value in Attributes window. I als attach the latest training gain.





    Thats why personally I just look for high value players with a value of 3.5 or more their wage - and I adjust their value based on current Q (I've not formulated that I just guesstimate ). As long as they meet these conditions I get fast trainers. If I accept a slightly lower MV its because I am prepared to accept a slightly lower rate.

    PS: Unless I lose interst and forget, I'll try to keep his sp unallocated past the point where he could gain a 6th star to capture any change. Although that prevents me from looking to see if his TR after allocation is similar to his TR on signing.

    NB: For performance junkies and fast training nae-sayers the 2 players in the top screenie that are Transfers Out were fast trainers that attracted yellow cards like flies to crap and gave away too many FKs - so to hell with their training rate because they were liabilities and deserved the boot.
    Last edited by Buffs Mad; 09-11-2014 at 10:14 PM. Reason: added the 'PS.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffs Mad View Post
    ..................The last 4 Hard Match Practice sessions I recorded since I saw your request was 142, 102, 114, 132...............
    Here's an update to unallocated SP training for Richerd Gough, 5* 48Q fast trainer as a reminder of the impact of unallocated sp on training rate.

    The next 3 Hard Sessions for match practice were 91, 141 & 132

    This meant he had amassed 27 unallocated SP which would be enough to gain the 6th star.

    5 more sessions resulted in 85, 72, 102, 95, & 80

    While its not a huge sample I consider the results significant enough to confirm the long established (and previously 'proven') theory that training rate takes into account unallocated sp in determining the sp gain from star to star.

    Here's the pics for the results either side of 6* equivalent




    As an extra point his MV at 49Q was 14.5m and I'm level 6.

    Unfortunately I can not do anything on the topic of 'TR' since he's under a 3 year contract so I can't access his renew wage - unless I sold him and that's not happening.

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    Hold on guys.
    2 M isn’t much money ? The time I pick that player and also now his value is in top 2 more expensive players. 2M = 20T from the 1st expensive bank loan for this level. In my lv3 there are 3 high values , around 5M (very rare) , 3-4M (rare) and 2-3M.
    When I see the Value of Cocu it’s double the value of my all team (and it’s an expensive one).
    About this player (he was the most expensive that moment) , ok let’s play Sherlock Holms.
    I’ve read that thread Khris and ok this guy isn’t from Flufy FC or Puffy FC but the name of the team is kind weird AIFC.
    He is for my level 3, a 5* player. If he is from another LV3 team why this manager even try him (a 5* player?) in a game (0 statistics) ? Remember that it’s Day 20 of the season. If he is from an academy must be from at least LV5 manager. And then why he is wearing a NORDEUS sponsor T-shirt ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos View Post
    Hold on guys.
    2 M isn’t much money ? The time I pick that player and also now his value is in top 2 more expensive players. 2M = 20T from the 1st expensive bank loan for this level. In my lv3 there are 3 high values , around 5M (very rare) , 3-4M (rare) and 2-3M.
    When I see the Value of Cocu it’s double the value of my all team (and it’s an expensive one).
    About this player (he was the most expensive that moment) , ok let’s play Sherlock Holms.
    I’ve read that thread Khris and ok this guy isn’t from Flufy FC or Puffy FC but the name of the team is kind weird AIFC.
    He is for my level 3, a 5* player. If he is from another LV3 team why this manager even try him (a 5* player?) in a game (0 statistics) ? Remember that it’s Day 20 of the season. If he is from an academy must be from at least LV5 manager. And then why he is wearing a NORDEUS sponsor T-shirt ?
    Nordeus sponsor is for the contract that have his team^^
    now I have Topofone, as daily sponsor.

    And yea, he can be a academy player of a team +3 levels than you, ofc, but remember (and is the Case of Cocu) that the players that bot teams put in the market, called Nordgens, are excellent players and trainers, are like a guarantee (well maybe somebody cango here with a bad experience but is not my case... I have Cocu, Zé Roberto, if remember Nostbakken too... and some other, and work/train well^^)

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    Quote Originally Posted by khris View Post
    Nordeus sponsor is for the contract that have his team^^
    now I have Topofone, as daily sponsor.
    Yes, that's my point. A manager of LV5 or LV6 can't have NORDEUS for sponsor except he prefer less money contract.

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    "the names are variable for sponsorship"
    Really ? In my server the names (and the contracts) of the sponsor are the same, NORDEUS LV1-LV2, SPEED LV3, TOPKERS LV4, TOPOFONE LV5 and don't know what else further.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos View Post
    "the names are variable for sponsorship"
    Really ? In my server the names (and the contracts) of the sponsor are the same, NORDEUS LV1-LV2, SPEED LV3, TOPKERS LV4, TOPOFONE LV5 and don't know what else further.

    when a contract finish, the sponsor name change usually....

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    " the Take Over function some actual Teams have kept the fictional name of their Team"
    Hey Cat
    Those teams are abandoned from human players or there are also Bot/Robot ?

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