The new star system (and the negotiation list)

[cookizzz]

This player has no SA and is 10 sp to 185. I just received an nego offer. So I suppose he is acutally now 1 sp to next star. The offerer is my strong opponent in league for at least 2 seasons. But he is not my friend, so I have not yet accepted his offer, and made a counter offer.

As I understand to Eric Jego's theory or law, once I trained the player and gain 1 sp, he will be immediately added a new star. I am looking forward to verify this. I don't really want my counter offer will be accepted.



P.S. The player is still very tired and have not yet been trained in this season because I power trained him to burn out all his conditions near season end of last season before he turned 22.

[nikolgiorgos]

Experiment - Ronaldo
1) Ronaldo 5* old


2) Ronaldo 5* new


3) Ronaldo 6* old


4) Ronaldo 6* new

[Eric Jego]

Your screenshot number 3 is what I told before. When you train a player on OLD version, depending gap to next star he will evolve to it. So it is easy to calculate when SA is opened. When no SA is opened, you trained him for 12 SP reason why he gets the next star. Only 11 SP would have save him previous low star. Your screenshots just explain my theroy. But my English is not perfect, so maybe I had written sentences difficult to be understood well !?

Experiment - Ronaldo
1) Ronaldo 5* old


2) Ronaldo 5* new


3) Ronaldo 6* old


4) Ronaldo 6* new

[nikolgiorgos]

1) Ronaldo is a new player (fast trainer) I bought. It looks with the old version that he needs 13 sp for being a 6*

2) But as we see in the new version, it's not like this.
He has 113,4 + 114,5 + 115,5 >> 113,4 + 115 + 115 >> 8 (old) sp
This happening because there is a different "translation" from % quality to numbers quality (1 sp isn't exactly 4 new sp, it's from 1 to 4).

3) When I gave 8 (old) sp after some training, Ronaldo became a 6* player even if it looks like he still missing 5 sp to be a 6* player.

4) That's because in the new version, he has 113,4 + 116,1 + 115,5 >> (113,4 +1,1 +0,5) + 115 + 115 >> 115 + 115 + 115

So, what we do when we want to set a player to nego list ?
We observe how many old sp he needs but from the mask of the version.
Also, we must be very careful because in the new version, we can't see the blue bar of progress so sometimes instead of 1 sp, we can get 2 sp. Also because 1 sp from the old training, can be "translated" in a different way.

[Eric Jego]

Hi. Sorry for delay to come back and answer !
My theory I checked many times is and remains ONLY IF you train them by the OLD version and come back to play on NEW version. It concerns only those whom open both versions.

This player has no SA and is 10 sp to 185. I just received an nego offer. So I suppose he is acutally now 1 sp to next star. The offerer is my strong opponent in league for at least 2 seasons. But he is not my friend, so I have not yet accepted his offer, and made a counter offer.

As I understand to Eric Jego's theory or law, once I trained the player and gain 1 sp, he will be immediately added a new star. I am looking forward to verify this. I don't really want my counter offer will be accepted.



P.S. The player is still very tired and have not yet been trained in this season because I power trained him to burn out all his conditions near season end of last season before he turned 22.

[nikolgiorgos]

So far, Nordeus changes calculation rules ! It is now [189 + 189.8 + 190 + 0.2 (1 new SP) + 3.2 (16 SP on ability)] / 3 = 190.73

sorry Eric, your theory is wrong.
This player is in negotiation list. With your theory about the sp which are calculated in quality, it's wrong

It's just the numbers in parenthesis () , without the progress in his sa
75,3 + 74,8 + 74,7 >> 75 + 74,8 + 75

[Eric Jego]

Hi

Sorry to answer so long tme after...

Your answer is surprising for me. It seems your screenshot is on the NEW VERSION, isn't it ? Did you train your player on NEW or OLD VERSION ?

Every players I trained on OLD VERSION were modified by Nordeus ! And each of them got the next star.

There is no doubt about it ;-) My theory concerns only trained players on OLD version if you return then on NEW version.

sorry Eric, your theory is wrong.
This player is in negotiation list. With your theory about the sp which are calculated in quality, it's wrong

It's just the numbers in parenthesis () , without the progress in his sa
75,3 + 74,8 + 74,7 >> 75 + 74,8 + 75

[nikolgiorgos]

Experiment - Batistuta


46 + 59 + 58 > (46+4+3) +55 +55 >53 +55 +55 10 sp missing for 6* player with the old system


46,1 +59,4 +58,2 > (46,1 +4,4 +3,2) +55 +55 >53,7 + 55 +55 1,3 missing or else 5 or 6 sp with the new system


giving 5 old sp
46 +60 +58 > (46 +5 +3) +55 +55 > 54 +55 +55 5sp missing


46,1 +60,4 + 58,2 > (46,1 +5,4 +3,2) +55 +55 > 54,7 +55 +55 0,3 missing
So, here is a question. Maybe my player is already in nego list ?
The correct one should be 54,8 +55 + 55 but how can I give him 0,1 ?

let's try to give 1 old sp


He got his 6*
46 + 60,2 + 58 > (46+5,2 +3) +55 +55 > 54,2 +55 +55 and it's 4 more sp with the old version

Now it's

46,1 +60,6 + 58,2 > (46,1 +5,6 +3,2) > 54,9 + 55 +55 and that gives a a 6*

[cookizzz]

I tried to read Niko's illustration but I cannot follow because I lack knowledge on new version. I surprised to know that the quality value in new system is different with those in old version because it is translated from percentage back to value. Yesterday, I logon new version to study meaning of percentage but I failed. I end my study, and wait for someone's further explanation I will understand.

[nikolgiorgos]

This is my player Zagallo

Z1

Has 108 +119 +116,4 >> (108+4+1,4) +115 +115 >>113,4 +115 +115
With the old version he wants 1,4 q, to be 1sp from 6* .
1 sp is 0,2 q so he wants 7 sp to be in the list.

Z2

With the new version, as we see in the picture, first of all we forget % numbers.
I see only the numbers in parenthesis ()
Here we see that it's different from the old version. This is (I think) from the wrong "translation" , the rounding of the digits.
So
108,1 +119,1 +116,5 >> (108,1 +4,1 +1,5) + 115 +115 >> 113,7 +115 +115
Here it looks he needs 5 (or 6) sp

Z3

So, I go to the old version and do some training for 5 sp

Z4

Back in the new version and here I can see
108,1 +120,1 +116,5 >> (108,1 +5,1 +1,5) +115 +115 >> 114,7 +115 +115.
It needs 0,3 for the next star. At that point, I was waiting , maybe that 0,3 was like 1 sp of the old version.
* just to be sure, wait for a day or so, at that point.
I had no offers so I started some training with the new version.
I did light training, the first drill of M&P, the "warm up".
After some of those training (only to that player), he got a 0,1 q so now he is 0,2 from the next star as it was in the old version

Z5

My player is in nego list now

So, after a while, some amazing offers started coming

Z6