The power of watching the game!

[Mo Meow Odom]

I watch most of my games when I can, weekend games are hard for me to watch !!! I always feel bad if I dont watch and lose !!! I do hope that when I watch there is something I can do to help my little team !!!

a sub or tactic change ?? who knows??? but if we dont believe this does anything what is the point of playing ???

Just like a real manager we can not jump on the pitch and score !!! or just like a fan we carnt influence the game !! ( or can we ) ?

a game without fans the outcome may be different ?? (who KNOws) a game on top 11 without the manager ?? who knows lol

great thread btw hun !!!!!

[Ian Myers]

I watch probably 95% of my games, spend a lot of time training my players and tweaking my tactics and I'm underachieving this season. I'm top 6 but should be top 2/3. I regularly have poor performances against teams I should he beating.

On the other hand, a friend of mine never watches his games, he does his tactics and formations once a day, on a night when he has some free time. He's a pretty busy bloke so rarely can he watch the games. Nevertheless he's top of his league by a country mile and has won 7 promotions in a row.

Make of that what you will.

[Moerman Goran]

Can anyone explain me why i can't see free transfers (f)


Verzonden vanaf mijn iPhone met behulp van Tapatalk

[Fate85]

Guys, guys, guys, listen!

The fact that there are so many polarised views concerning this actually goes to prove that it doesn't matter whether or not you watch your games. If watching games CLEARLY affect outcomes, it would be a one-sided argument.

#iamdeepsodeep

[Spyros]

Guys, guys, guys, listen!

The fact that there are so many polarised views concerning this actually goes to prove that it doesn't matter whether or not you watch your games. If watching games CLEARLY affect outcomes, it would be a one-sided argument.

#iamdeepsodeep

Some facts for everyone's consideration:

We play a soccer manager game. Every company that produces such a game, makes sure results are NOT predetermined before a match starts, otherwise game is lame and not worth playing.
We cant get clear answers about strange results, because every manager game(not only top11) we play is complex.

However some of us have provided the fact that you can start a game with illegal formation, then switch to legal and win. Or vise versa if you prefer. Start with legal and score a couple goals, then switch to illegal and lose. Yet a few denying this fact. Fact that beats the silly predetermined results theory and make us wonder why it even have been brought up.

I watch most of my games when I can, weekend games are hard for me to watch !!! I always feel bad if I dont watch and lose !!! I do hope that when I watch there is something I can do to help my little team !!!

a sub or tactic change ?? who knows??? but if we dont believe this does anything what is the point of playing ???

Just like a real manager we can not jump on the pitch and score !!! or just like a fan we carnt influence the game !! ( or can we ) ?

a game without fans the outcome may be different ?? (who KNOws) a game on top 11 without the manager ?? who knows lol !!

I have underlined and made bold the reason why all this turmoil is produced. Rage and disappointment make good friends with slander.

[Fate85]

Some facts for everyone's consideration:

We play a soccer manager game. Every company that produces such a game, makes sure results are NOT predetermined before a match starts, otherwise game is lame and not worth playing.
We cant get clear answers about strange results, because every manager game(not only top11) we play is complex.

However some of us have provided the fact that you can start a game with illegal formation, then switch to legal and win. Or vise versa if you prefer. Start with legal and score a couple goals, then switch to illegal and lose. Yet a few denying this fact. Fact that beats the silly predetermined results theory and make us wonder why it even have been brought up.



I have underlined and made bold the reason why all this turmoil is produced. Rage and disappointment make good friends with slander.

Mate look, I have 9 teams that I manage and I have seen too many instances to prove to me beyond reasonable doubt that results are pre-determined. For instance, I have 4 teams in the same League and typically I would seek to "control" the results but it is only when I seek to control BEFORE the game that I get the W-L result that I want. If Team A plays Team B, and both teams start with legal formations, and 20 minutes in, Team A leads by 2 goals... and I want them to draw - setting Team A's formation to the most illegal formation in the whole wide would would not help... unless the System has pre-determined that Team B roam back. I have seen too many, seriously, especially with my teams playing each other all the time.

Now, just following my last post in this same thread, I played a Champions League game with my main account. I was at home, and I brought into the game an away goal from the first leg which ended 1-1. I controlled the game with 60% possession... the other manager was not watching, and I had chance after chance but... I lost 0-1 close to the end. With full +15% possession, maxed out condition and morale, and maxed out win bonus... along with almost an entire team of 6-star players playing against his 3-to-4-star players...

... I am speechless. I even retimed the game so the game would happen at 2:27am his time. Didn't work baby.

Here's the thing with us. We want so much to believe that we can control outcomes of games, fulfilling our managerial fantasies, that season after season we seek to do the same things, hoping to change an outcome that is pre-determined. Why? Because it's more fun that way. Sometimes it APPEARS to work (because what we want to happen is consistent with what Nordeus wants / pre-determines) and sometimes it doesn't (d'oh, how often does Nordeus give us what we want? Nordeus is a business so their primary aim is not to charitably renders you pleasure, but to subtly coax you to spend).

[Spyros]

Mate look, I have 9 teams that I manage and I have seen too many instances to prove to me beyond reasonable doubt that results are pre-determined. For instance, I have 4 teams in the same League and typically I would seek to "control" the results but it is only when I seek to control BEFORE the game that I get the W-L result that I want. If Team A plays Team B, and both teams start with legal formations, and 20 minutes in, Team A leads by 2 goals... and I want them to draw - setting Team A's formation to the most illegal formation in the whole wide would would not help... unless the System has pre-determined that Team B roam back. I have seen too many, seriously, especially with my teams playing each other all the time.

Try what I describe above. Have illegal formation before match. When it starts, switch to legal. You win (providing your formation counters the other one ofcourse).

Now, just following my last post in this same thread, I played a Champions League game with my main account. I was at home, and I brought into the game an away goal from the first leg which ended 1-1. I controlled the game with 60% possession... the other manager was not watching, and I had chance after chance but... I lost 0-1 close to the end. With full +15% possession, maxed out condition and morale, and maxed out win bonus... along with almost an entire team of 6-star players playing against his 3-to-4-star players...

Your defeat from a weaker and absent opponent does not prove anything about predetermined results.

Here's the thing with us. We want so much to believe that we can control outcomes of games, fulfilling our managerial fantasies, that season after season we seek to do the same things, hoping to change an outcome that is pre-determined. Why? Because it's more fun that way. Sometimes it APPEARS to work (because what we want to happen is consistent with what Nordeus wants / pre-determines) and sometimes it doesn't (d'oh, how often does Nordeus give us what we want? Nordeus is a business so their primary aim is not to charitably renders you pleasure, but to subtly coax you to spend).

With all the respect, you just speculate as other guys did above. There is no solid proof about predetermined results. I may not being able to control my team at 100% of its potential but still I can intervene in many ways and enjoy the game. I have also learnt to accept my defeats even if it seems I do not deserve it.

I suggest you do the same and forget conspiracy theories. Its just a game we play to have fun after all, no?

[Fate85]

Try what I describe above. Have illegal formation before match. When it starts, switch to legal. You win (providing your formation counters the other one ofcourse).


Your defeat from a weaker and absent opponent does not prove anything about predetermined results.


With all the respect, you just speculate as other guys did above. There is no solid proof about predetermined results. I may not being able to control my team at 100% of its potential but still I can intervene in many ways and enjoy the game. I have also learnt to accept my defeats even if it seems I do not deserve it.

I suggest you do the same and forget conspiracy theories. Its just a game we play to have fun after all, no?

Nah, with your own set of beliefs and values, you go about doing the things you do and think on a daily basis. While we all appreciate the views of one another in a forum like this, seeking to get others to think your way in order to "enjoy the game" is assuming people who question the workings of the game (people who are born inquisitive and likely engineers in real life, or lawyers) is not doing the "enjoy the game" bit.

By the way, I could say a lot about what you have posted but there is no point, so I wouldn't. Except perhaps this: "Your defeat from a weaker and absent opponent does not prove anything about predetermined results." You see, it actually does, in a big way. A few of my friends with superior teams all got ousted on the same match day against average oppositions that have left their teams for dead. There, predetermined, along with long-term injuries happening across many teams on one particular day (see a thread I started previously about injuries and seeking people to chip in on that particular day if they have had players injured that day).

By the way, if the people at Nordeus allow you as much control as you think they do, then perhaps you are just not very good at controlling the circumstances because in 17 seasons, you won only 6 Leagues? Or 4 Champions Leagues? Or 2 Cups? Now this is not belittling you, or condescending you, but if you have full faith in having "control", you would actually do a lot better.

For me, the fun lies in figuring out the system and beating the system. People like me do things like work out the percentages and likely algorithms, like how teams are paired in Cups and Leagues etc, and take steps to beat them. In 6 full seasons (discounting the first season whereby I was a newbie and came in close to season end), I won 5 Leagues and came runner-up in the other (registering 26-0-0 last season and standing at 14-1-0 this season), went to CL final 5 times and winning 4 and went to Cup final 3 times and winning 3. And these have been achieved with the mindset that I have... supposedly shared by forumers like rastaman.

I get it. You have a blog guide explaining counter formations and team orders etc.

[rastaman70]

Some facts for everyone's consideration:

We play a soccer manager game. Every company that produces such a game, makes sure results are NOT predetermined before a match starts, otherwise game is lame and not worth playing.
We cant get clear answers about strange results, because every manager game(not only top11) we play is complex.

However some of us have provided the fact that you can start a game with illegal formation, then switch to legal and win. Or vise versa if you prefer. Start with legal and score a couple goals, then switch to illegal and lose. Yet a few denying this fact. Fact that beats the silly predetermined results theory and make us wonder why it even have been brought up.



I have underlined and made bold the reason why all this turmoil is produced. Rage and disappointment make good friends with slander.

Thanks for all the fortune cookie sayings...they make a lot of sense on a board full of rage and disappointment. LOL

We play a "supposed" football manager game, with less management and incredibly, less football and more simulation. IT is NOT complex like you say. far from it. but that is your opinion and you are welcome to it: you are allowed to be wrong.

what happens most of the time during testing is that an illegal formation is started with and turned to a legal formation and the team loses. it is also frequent that a team starts with a legal formation and changes to an illegal formation immediately and wins.

we all know that illegal formations win more frequently than should happen, but what you mention is when you start with legal formation and then change to illegal, you lose and thats PROOF? Assume that games are predetermined and if you didnt change to an illegal formation and you still lose, which happens most of the time, as most people dont change their team to an illegal formation and lose the game.

see, I dont think you are using god's gift at all. There are so many results of people who test this that show that you are wrong and you refuse to believe them. These tests are done by experienced players trying to prove or disprove the theory. Without more knowledge of the game and how it works, its an uphill battle and the results will never be able to be 100% confirmed, but at least there will be some results that will allow one to be convinced one way or the other. facts shown up to this point lean towards predetermination. end of. There is no denying that.

here are some quotes that might help you:

"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored."

“Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.”

“Living is Easy with Eyes Closed.”

“You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant.”

“People are stupid. They will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they are afraid it might be true.”

“The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody has decided not to see.”

“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.”

So there you go, choose which ones appeal to you. I put them all here rather than waste posts by putting one in each future post rebutting your future posts.

this is not meant to insult you, but I hope that you can open your eyes to the possibility that what we say might be true.

[Spyros]

Seriously now.....Attempting to value down one's opinion you dont agree with, by questioning how many trophies he's got???
Is this the best you can come up with to prove your point ???

Seems you have figured everything out there is about this game, except one thing. To deal with the fact you can not always win.