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[Spyros]

Mate look, I have 9 teams that I manage and I have seen too many instances to prove to me beyond reasonable doubt that results are pre-determined. For instance, I have 4 teams in the same League and typically I would seek to "control" the results but it is only when I seek to control BEFORE the game that I get the W-L result that I want. If Team A plays Team B, and both teams start with legal formations, and 20 minutes in, Team A leads by 2 goals... and I want them to draw - setting Team A's formation to the most illegal formation in the whole wide would would not help... unless the System has pre-determined that Team B roam back. I have seen too many, seriously, especially with my teams playing each other all the time.

Try what I describe above. Have illegal formation before match. When it starts, switch to legal. You win (providing your formation counters the other one ofcourse).

Now, just following my last post in this same thread, I played a Champions League game with my main account. I was at home, and I brought into the game an away goal from the first leg which ended 1-1. I controlled the game with 60% possession... the other manager was not watching, and I had chance after chance but... I lost 0-1 close to the end. With full +15% possession, maxed out condition and morale, and maxed out win bonus... along with almost an entire team of 6-star players playing against his 3-to-4-star players...

Your defeat from a weaker and absent opponent does not prove anything about predetermined results.

Here's the thing with us. We want so much to believe that we can control outcomes of games, fulfilling our managerial fantasies, that season after season we seek to do the same things, hoping to change an outcome that is pre-determined. Why? Because it's more fun that way. Sometimes it APPEARS to work (because what we want to happen is consistent with what Nordeus wants / pre-determines) and sometimes it doesn't (d'oh, how often does Nordeus give us what we want? Nordeus is a business so their primary aim is not to charitably renders you pleasure, but to subtly coax you to spend).

With all the respect, you just speculate as other guys did above. There is no solid proof about predetermined results. I may not being able to control my team at 100% of its potential but still I can intervene in many ways and enjoy the game. I have also learnt to accept my defeats even if it seems I do not deserve it.

I suggest you do the same and forget conspiracy theories. Its just a game we play to have fun after all, no?

[Fate85]

Try what I describe above. Have illegal formation before match. When it starts, switch to legal. You win (providing your formation counters the other one ofcourse).


Your defeat from a weaker and absent opponent does not prove anything about predetermined results.


With all the respect, you just speculate as other guys did above. There is no solid proof about predetermined results. I may not being able to control my team at 100% of its potential but still I can intervene in many ways and enjoy the game. I have also learnt to accept my defeats even if it seems I do not deserve it.

I suggest you do the same and forget conspiracy theories. Its just a game we play to have fun after all, no?

Nah, with your own set of beliefs and values, you go about doing the things you do and think on a daily basis. While we all appreciate the views of one another in a forum like this, seeking to get others to think your way in order to "enjoy the game" is assuming people who question the workings of the game (people who are born inquisitive and likely engineers in real life, or lawyers) is not doing the "enjoy the game" bit.

By the way, I could say a lot about what you have posted but there is no point, so I wouldn't. Except perhaps this: "Your defeat from a weaker and absent opponent does not prove anything about predetermined results." You see, it actually does, in a big way. A few of my friends with superior teams all got ousted on the same match day against average oppositions that have left their teams for dead. There, predetermined, along with long-term injuries happening across many teams on one particular day (see a thread I started previously about injuries and seeking people to chip in on that particular day if they have had players injured that day).

By the way, if the people at Nordeus allow you as much control as you think they do, then perhaps you are just not very good at controlling the circumstances because in 17 seasons, you won only 6 Leagues? Or 4 Champions Leagues? Or 2 Cups? Now this is not belittling you, or condescending you, but if you have full faith in having "control", you would actually do a lot better.

For me, the fun lies in figuring out the system and beating the system. People like me do things like work out the percentages and likely algorithms, like how teams are paired in Cups and Leagues etc, and take steps to beat them. In 6 full seasons (discounting the first season whereby I was a newbie and came in close to season end), I won 5 Leagues and came runner-up in the other (registering 26-0-0 last season and standing at 14-1-0 this season), went to CL final 5 times and winning 4 and went to Cup final 3 times and winning 3. And these have been achieved with the mindset that I have... supposedly shared by forumers like rastaman.

I get it. You have a blog guide explaining counter formations and team orders etc.