Cup Final coming up - played opponents earlier in the Champions League and beat them over two legs - let's see if we can do the same in a one-off match.
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Cup Final coming up - played opponents earlier in the Champions League and beat them over two legs - let's see if we can do the same in a one-off match.
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11. cupfinal in a row...
and what a surprise, we play against our chinese rival.
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16th consecutive cup final,against a strong team,with treble last season and involved in all competitions this season too.
The bad thing for him and good for me (or not lol) is that his best players,left and right wingers,with 16 goals from 37 his team scored in cup competition,will miss the final ðŸ˜
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My team lost a Cup final in 2016, where it seems the game favoured the opponent a lot during the match. My best DC and best MC were banned for that match due to cards accumulated. It was as if the game already set things up from before the final itself so that my team would have less chance. Lets see if there is a repetition of the 'troll'. :D
So this season it's a battle between me and Dettlef (previous season treble winner).
Ok then :o
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Season progress report.
Desert Rats FC have benefitted from the 3rd and 4th place teams teams taking points off the 2nd placers and now have a nine point lead:
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In the Champions League, Desert Rats have to overturn a 1-2 deficit to a -12%Q team in the 2nd Leg of their Quarter-Final tie in order to progress, and they have qualified for the Final of the Cup (see previous post).
Home Guard FC were given a reprieve today when the 2nd place team, who had taken advantage of a home draw suffered by the Guard to close the gap at the top to three points and then fought the Guard to a home draw themselves, were badly Trolled at home by the 12th place team and Home Guard now have a six point lead at the top.
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The only other interest for Home Guard is the Champions League, and they have a 2-0 advantage from the away 1st Leg against a -12%Q team, and only have to keep their heads in the 2nd Leg tomorrow to get a Semi-Final berth.
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ha leading with null :p
extra prima good :)
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We've advanced to the semi's of the champions league, where we'll step up in weight class. Galatasaray is a +1 level manager and captaining a platinum association, so should face some resistance in that match. If the boys survive, there is a +1 level scout buyer in the other semi-final. Alper FC is my level.
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We won the semi-finals 31-4, to reach 1316 points. Our finals opponent is good, but we only need 9 points to reach the platinum. I couldn't be more proud of the boys as this association was once 6-7-2-2, so I didn't expect the climb to platinum to be that fast. Several new managers were added about 4 months back, including the alt team of a manager that's in a 8*/9* platinum association, which is the driving catalyst behind the hot streak.
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As I had almost no players with less than 25 years in my team I thought was the moment to go of fishing lol
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another, 3T dr-dc from Belgium... Just I think I need a MC.... xD
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After we were losing 12-6 1st round,the boys made a great come back and won the association semi-final 19-16,against an stronger opponent,the only 8* asso...
My team was playing against a guy who had 10 players 9* 18 yo 🤤 and about 15% higher quality but I beat him twice 😊
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Champions League Semi-Finals for both my teams... :)
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Those were FA matches,if you read the other thread you'll see that Nik asked not to post anything from FA!
With this team i have this season at FA 9wins,1draw,1 loss playing against" monster" teams,but I'm not one of those people who belive that winning at FA they are great managers,as most of the people knows that those games are broken.
Ps 1 : glad to know that you are watching me
Ps 2: next time I'll ask you what to post and where lol
Madflo, I dont think he wanted offend you, but I was thinking the same reading your post about winning against a better q team.
No need to observe you personally, all those complainig threads complain about unlucky losses, I dont know if there is 1-2 opposite of 1000.
I don't care what he wanted to do,but if you or him read that thread you will notice that I'm the only one who posted at #3 about 2 matches were my opponents lost points as i was playing wall formation and they had normal formations,so if anyone wants to say something about this,they should find other peoples,not me.
...I realized that he's using a V style formation.... since time I've been reading here and personally that this formation seems to fail more lately.... so this just help to confirm the "V conspiration theory" (uuuuhhh muahahahahahahahaha -phantom screamings and so as background sound- LOL)
Oh how stupid..oh well!
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From my experience, around the time I left associations (and quit the game too) in 2016, the final results in terms of win, lose or draw seemed to be more or less pre-determined. I suspect that the matches were simulated more like friendly matches, where many things concerning the match were already decided before the match was being shown to play. Nothing to do with 'trolling'; just that the methods used were unfair and inappropriate.
Let me tell you a little 'story'.
In the early weeks of associations, things seemed to be working well for my association. We (Tactician, Motrin, Medo, Peter and Arion) used to be working on things individually and as a group, and we were doing very well. The game engine itself seemed to be different at that time. Those were the times when training, attending matches, following assistant manager advice and so on had a significant effect in addition to the effects of quality, tactics and chance. Later, Nordeus made some changes in the game, probably because of certain flaws of their newly introduced features (bonuses, assistant manager advice and instant effect of orders and so on). Concerning associations, they probably made more changes as every weekend there were complaints about game errors and so on. So, they could well have adjusted things so that less calculations are made during association matches or less resources are used. Around those times, we recruited a sixth member: Bunzo. We continued to work the way we used too, but after a few weeks things started to turn sour. Teams of our associations were losing where they should not have lost. One match can be lost as it can happen in real life football, but when it becomes too common, something is clearly wrong. one of our members also seemed to have lost the desire to continue to play or maybe he had his focus on some other things, so we were more like 5 playing for associations, but we continued. At some point, it was clear that the game was not the same. Bunzo lost two matches, where he should not have and surely not with those scores. I was shocked myself when I learnt about the results. One of the reports 'said' that the opponent beat him with pure genius and movement (something like that). So, despite still having one of the results hard to swallow, given that the formation and orders were used in those two matches were logical counters and were tested a lot of times with success, maybe the opponent was a genius. Later, this same manager lost in the final; if he was that so good as said by the game, then he would not have lost like he did. So, it was like already pre-determined that this opponent would win both matches in the semi-final against him, but then that same opponent would lose in the final. In one of my matches, in some way to say, I noticed that the game already decided that my team would win no matter what the opponent would do. In some way to say, I was like sitting on the bench, eating peanuts and watching the opposing manager making changes and trying hard to get a win. That was my final week in associations; I left. As you see, I left despite having won because the problem in this game was not about winning or losing but how you win or lose. Work, time and effort were like nothing much. Others left the association too after I left, and I quit the game too later after having made tests using several accounts, finding out that things were like cosmetic in this game for certain cases. To compare, it is like you will be pressing on the keys of a keyboard or remote control thinking that you are controlling the players in say a game like in Fifa, but you have not moved the controller icon corresponding to yours to the side of the team you wished to control, and so you will be pressing them for nothing other than fooling yourself.
Based on some of the posts I have seen here and there concerning associations lately, it seems that some undesirable things have not changed. With time, it seems more people have observed that something is fishy about association matches, and their posts consolidated what I suspected way back. Lately, it seems many have noticed the bad in how non-association and non-friendly matches are simulated too. About those matches, that is League, Champions League and Cup matches, some bad things were from way before (as back as the time of the old version only, the blue one) but it seems more people on this forum have been experiencing them; there well could have been changes or just by chance more people from this forum happen to be victims lately. Some posts and complaints even made me laugh - not really laughing at the complainer, but what are there in the posts on the funny side, and also 'laughing' as someone who has been a victim of some of those '****s' too in the past and as someone who know what '****s' could be there in this game.
Why some undesirable things seem to happen to some people a lot, while to some much less or even nearly absent, that only Nordeus knows. But, as it was as during the old days, it seems that there is a sort of partiality in this game, where a fraction of users experience undesirable things much more (so much, that it is evident that something is wrong in the game), another fraction that get them less, and another fraction that rarely get them; it is as if some are playing a different game. In the past, I complained about things in this game, and the response from this forum indicated as if only a few of us were victims and many were not, but these days it seems the set of victims has enlarged, and many have become suspicious and are complaining.
4-5-1 V-style has been failing enough times in the past too. I myself I failed a lot with 4-5-1(V) (way back, that is in 2015) despite having won a few leagues with it. I never even achieved a double when I was using it. It is one of the reasons why I don't fancy that formation and even have some sort of hate against it. I have won much more using other formations. Maybe some managers, by chance, they faced a lot of teams where 4-5-1(V) and the orders used were good counters for the ones faced, or maybe a combination of both this and the 'roll of dices' involved in the game. But, in many cases, including those on the forum here itself (no offence intended), those using 4-5-1(V) have overpowered teams; so, their successes are not really because of the formation but because of the significant superiority in quality the team using 4-5-1(V) had. I did not have such an advantage in quality or so much overpowered wingers when I was using 4-5-1(V) as my main formation. Put equal quality 4-5-1(V) versus equal quality other formations (and no bias or quality fooling, that is no overpowered wingers but with under-powered players at other positions) to face each other in the same league and knock-out competitions for several seasons, and we will see if 4-5-1(V) ends up as being so good as some claim or think it is in this game. I doubt it will end up among the top 2 or 3 formations concerning this game. But lately, I noticed that odd formations or what would be rare formations have done well, and based on the matches I have played this season, formation does not seem to really matter much as compared to way before.
Ah, and don't forget about the striker 'conspiracy' that made that line about 4-3-3 in your signature no more valid. :p
Probably exist a good reason why a V formation "tend" to fail more, and for sure is the way in what the game do the simulations, too when creates the 1vs1, decide how to solve these situations etc..... is related to the same reason why since september '15 the STs stopped working as before.... or when for example we have situations in 10 vs 11 in what seems that suddenly after a player has been sent off, "his negative impact dissappear" and the team seems to play way better with 10 than with 11.... yesterday I was winning 2-0 in the assos' and when the other team saw a double yellow just needed 3 minutes of game to score,.,,
All is related with the calibration inside the simulator.... and sure is not so easy understand how works exactly and in what way can be improved to create "better simulations"..
By myself since I started participating in the forum I did many suggestions, and ofc Ive ma opinion, related to the fact that right now many factors count to decide a match result, and the addition of training bonuses and eliminate, as the devs did, the limit in the skills, so one can have 1%'s and skills at 20* this really IMO create more foolish simulations...
I only used bascally 3 main formations in the 57 seasons that Ive managed the FCBayern, the 4-3-3 was the first and worked me well... then I started switching a ST as AMC sometimes and gave me success.... then since the changes related with the STrikers, when they suddenly stopped working as before, and I realized that the 2nd attack line was more decisive, I started using the actual 4-2-3w-1 and for now works enough well for now and I hope the game will not do unexpected changes with some lnes of players xD
The joke with the signature for those who don't know abot what is related, comes from a pic of a dev' when they introduced this feature in our profiles that say what is our most common used formation, cause the pic they added in the post for some reason showed the 4-4-3 as formation used so, was then when I added this info in ma signature xD
By the way Tactician, do you play more competitions right now than the assos'? just read that you started playin again for 4th time :)
I don't want to exploit the super subs, because... nobody at my league did/does it. All play normal, make their sub aorund 45'-90'. Before the league game, I had just one. My chinese rival also has one and another team lead with 2.
After FA, I missed to put back Costa. I joined the game, subed in Costa, he scored twice (assisted 3). At 52', I made normal sub - Meiringer came in, scored twice (assisted 1). Costa had a rating of 10 at half time... but who was MoM? :confused:
Good thing, now I'm leading the super sub. :D
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I thought about posting some pictures, not only concerning this topic but also in some other threads, but I am using mobile internet (data package) these days as where I am, there is no internet by line, and the ISP, despite that the application was made more than a month ago, still has not come to do the necessary and release the internet.
Last season, I came back playing, but no more that seriously. I have put it in my forum's signature. My team won the Cup and the Nivea League, and it came out 3rd in the league. So this season, it is League, Champions League and Cup. My team got knocked-out of the semi-final stage in the Cup, so for now the league and the Champions League are left, though it seems for the league it will be more likely second place unless the 1st place lose at least 2 points from the remaining matches to be played without my team losing any points.
By the way, why did you refer to my nickname in a comment on FB where t11 fan was referring to another forum user that had the 'tactic' part in his nickname . It was not me that asked about 'how to counter' in my first post. As a forum moderator, you could have checked what my 1st post was to confirm. Oh, and I am not sure if you checked the private message I sent when I was around last year (2016). That thing between us, that ended badly on your side, was due to your misunderstanding. What I said on one forum post (way back) was for another person who had the part 'rat' in his forum name and he was ungrateful towards me despite that I helped him, hence why I said 'ungrateful rat' in the post. I gave so many indications later that it was not you, but you did not get it. I hope now you get it.
Hmm I've been mostly playing 451v this season and im 1st in League , Cup Finals and semis in Super League .. It seems pretty good against most formations so far.. I've NEVER lost against the standart 442.. I only had troubles in the beginning of the season against 4-2mc-3w-1 but I found out that the tactics I used were not good (played attacking down both flanks,offside on counter on; and then switched to normal mixed mixed on HIGH, off) and lost once against 4-4-1-1 which was a bit of a troll game ..
And considering 11 out of 13 teams in the league are full 6* teams and the super league and CUP opponents were fairly even to mine I cant really say bad things for this formation.. ofcourse against tactics like narrow diamond which i know perfect counters that are not 451v i used those instead..
lol, funny you 're saying that Khris as we 're playing in the same asso group and you can see that most of the times I 'm using this formation.
After 4 seasons of staying in the same level, my team is too strong (7*-8*, 135% q) so I had many games vs more strong opponents (the asso higher q team, usually a 150% q team).
But still I can have good results wit 1/2 or 1* less q team.
I'm agree with Nik,45v1 still good for me,I can't say that there's any difference between now and some time ago.
I have to agree with Nik and MadFlo about the 4-5-1v. Most of my losses are against that formation.
Ok lets put on the table another option, just many people with same conditions have a wave of same bad results so, then, is when the conspiration begins xD
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who knows the truth?... nobody really... we just think what others want us to think... and what we prefeer to think... lol
Probably all is the same history as always, "players are all"... that simple..... this talking about the V or any other formation.... then about the STs sudden change I am not so sure of what to say.... maybe is time to recovery my first 4-3-3?.... and see if I can find again a good line of strikers?...
It is not a bad formation; more like it is was being used (and maybe still used) as if it was the pinnacle of all formations. In fact, these days, it is stronger as compared to way before because attacking midfielders seems to be doing the job of strikers. This season, I noticed that formations that have little in the middle in terms of MCs have been doing well. First in my league used mostly a formation with 1 MC and another formation with no MC (only 1 loss and 2 draws for this team in the league so far), and in another league, 1st is using that same formation with the 1 MC. In the Cup, my team was knocked-out by a team that used 1 MC for his away match and no MC for his home match. It looks like some things have changed in the game.
For me, for how it was before (2015) in this game, 4-5-1(V) lacked punch in attack. And if you did not have good enough AML and AMRs, things could be worst. For my main team (the first team), I had a lot of problems getting AMLs and AMRs on the server my account was. Others like Nik were getting wingers on their servers, and that too fast trainers and even with special ability, while me, I could hardly find even a decent one despite checking the transfer market nearly every morning every day. I got a 'second-hand' DML/ML/AML in the 2nd season, and in both 2nd and 3rd seasons, I had to use the scouts' list: 2nd season got an AMR/AMC/AML and 3rd season got an MR/AMR. I created a test account, (which is now the account I am using), and despite this account being on a different server, still there were deficiencies in terms of nordgen wingers. I would not blame all the failures that occurred during the period I was using 4-5-1(V) on the formation itself. Some failures were due to my lack of knowledge of the game itself. It is just that it has not worked for me as compared to the likes of Nik. But, the main difference is that my team was like 5 stars, with 5-6 stars wingers while others who had success a lot with that formation had 6 star teams with wingers at 7-stars and sometimes even more. So, this contributed too.
This game, especially during a period, seemed to favour narrow formations like narrow diamond, 4-3N-1-2 and 4-1-3N-2. Formations like narrow diamond were as equally strong in defence (and maybe even better) compared to 4-5-1(V), but had more presence in attack, and later with the coming of the new version with 3D on all supported platforms, certain styles seemed to be more pleasurable to watch as shown by the highlights and also appeared to be like really dominating the opponent as compared to 4-5-1V which was like boring. With further changes (assistant manager and effect of bonuses), formations like 4-5-1V and the usual style used with it, that is defensive and counter-attacks, were no more that good. The game favoured intense styles and formations. High pressing and high defensive lines (like Barcelona was playing at a time) became the successful ones. Even 4-3N-2W-1 was not that good (maybe talisman can comment about that). Much much later, which comes to this season, it seems that game is favouring some styles again. In other words, it is like the game has been changing so as to reflect how things have changed in football in real life, that is different formations and styles being dominant and successful at different periods.
All that being said, I will still use 4-5-1(V), but only where I feel it is appropriate to use.
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Thats time ago cause as far as I remember I don't know of T11 fan since months... and months ago.... probably you refeer to Perfect tactics which was the team name of dv8r and J4th ¿? now really I don't know about what are you talking about.
Regarding the PMs I usually have the PM's forlder full, but I think I rember reading about something from you, but really Tactician, I don't have to get anything apart from my own opinion, which I have very clear. Then related to my mod job I think we all understand that calling ungrateful rat is something that should not happen here, despite how you helped, or how really ungrateful one person is with others.
Here the thing is not stay pending of what others say of what one do, the thing is stay in peace with what one do, thats all, despite how others react, so, you tryed the best? thats what you wanted to do? so why regret? the other person if is ungrateful, ungrateful is, let him be who is and everyone in the end will recive what they sow, life is enough intelligent doing that, belive me, I say this after do 32 home changes in all my life and know hundreds of stories. I can understand that we all would like to see and we "wait" others act like we expect or doing things with our same "good intention" but 90% cases is not what happens.
Live and let life.
Hope this 4th time that you came despite our differances related to the game and how understand it (maybe we only share the hobby to writte way longer lol) we just will not have so many troubles or whichever occurred earlier with our viewpoints.
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Hahaha.
Jokes aside, I never lost to a 4-5-1(V) and 'never' lost to a 4-3N-3 (though I did lose one in testing accounts, but that does not count), even against stronger ones, but this is not really by chance. I even defeated a strong and very active 4-5-1(V) (not passive, that is not the one that would sit back and wait for counter-attacking opportunities, but attacking and pressing like Barcelona) 4-3 way back during the early weeks of the associations. For me, when I see an opponent with 4-5-1(V) or 4-3-3, it is like the win is almost in the bag. Sure, there are still some doubts at times, but those two formations are among the ones I mastered on how to beat them.
Nik (4-5-1(V)) and khris (4-3-3) never faced me, and khris (4-2-3W-1) never faced me. But if ever I had to face those 3, I would be more worry about the 4-2-3W-1 than the other two. I learned a bit how to deal with the 4-2-3W-1 too but lack practice against it. But, nowadays, in this game, it seems that formations do not matter much like before, and even quality on its own, unless you have large quality differences. Many formations can beat many other formations by other means other than the base positioning of players according to the formation used itself.
I would like to mention something though. It was Nik that showed me how to play with 4-5-1(V) in this game (I mean the defensive and counter-attacking style) when I was in L2. At that time, I did not have much knowledge of the game, and that little bit that Nik showed me did help me to win some things.
Yes was about the posts about Perfect Tactics, and t11_fan mentioned something about a user (Master of Tactics or something that had tactics in his username) that asked 'how to counter' here on the forum as his first post, then you said Tactician (and so on) in reply.
Wt..? :p When did I ask 'how to counter' as my first post? Khris, I will beat you. I rarely even asked how to counter this or that here on this forum.
About the ungrateful thing, the person was like pushing me away, telling me to go away from here after all the help I provided to him. So, he was indeed ungrateful, and given that he had 'rat' in his username, I said ungrateful rat.
Tactican, the thing that makes the 4-5-1v difficult to play against is that there is an alternate tactical setup to it. I usually play it the same way Nik does, however in addition to the one Nik mentioned, there is an attacking V. It's setup with something like attacking/hard attacking, short passing (usually), high press, force counters on (I saw your post about the weird orders of force counters + attacking working in this game, and it seems to in the case of this tactic as well).. So when you setup against the "V" managers (especially if it's an opponent one isn't familiar with) are in the dark about figuring out the opponent, more so than they would be if they face other formations. If I know my opponent is playing 4-5-1v, defense + counters, i'm going to have a higher success rate, than if I'm in the dark. But this is the one formation (more so than others), that could be playing defense, normal or attacking. It's a very difficult read.
Attacking or defensive 4-5-1(V), there is one line that seems to be a common one. When you have it in your formation, the 4-5-1(V) is already put at a disadvantage as a whole. Then there is another line, this can be either the defensive line or the offensive like. If you go for the offensive line, the (V) cannot defend against that, and if you go for the defensive line, it cannot attack against that. In some cases, there may be large scores, but still the V is beaten. In the past, an opponent almost beat Nik out of the Champions League because he had part of those lines above. If he managed to complete the puzzle, he would have been through unless the game sided fully to Nik's side. So, he ended up losing, but narrowly.
You get the other ones too - the one that plays normal and even mixed, mixed (not even focusing to the flanks). The harder one I have faced was the attacking one, one that seemed to press high and with the manager himself knows what other orders he used. What I saw on the pitch was as soon as my player got the ball in my own half, he was surrounded with players like bees swarming (like Barcelona pressing) and had no room to breath. It could have been Hard Attacking, High Pressing, Man-on-Man Marking, Hard Tackling and Offside. His side defenders were up too in my half. One match ended 4-3 and the other ended 3-2. In one match, I went offensive and in the other I went with defensive (using the appropriate lines) despite that the opponent probably used the same approach (maybe more intense in one of the matches). In one match, the A.M even indicated that what i was using was very good and that left the opponent with no options for his 4-5-1(V). But the game seems to have changed; so things might not be the same, but some elements seem still to be around. Also, you must have the players too - those players that are are just programmed to do well. I had one at back on my left side, and this one shut a good part of the menace from his side of the flank, while on the other side I had an average one, and so he let some attacks through or had trouble dealing with the attackers on this side (yellow card).
But nowadays, more is required. What look like teams using centre-attacking formations may attack through the flanks, and they win too. So, it just not you would see say 4-5-1(V), so you would block the flanks and attack the flanks, or you would see narrow diamond, you would block the middle and attack the flanks. The opponent could be doing the reverse of what you would expect based on the formation he put. What is funny in there is that many did not even intend to do it - I mean by chance they put things like that and they turn out to be game changers for particular matches. How is he attacking, and who is he pushing up to boost his numbers in front? This one is difficult to find out itself. It took me one full match (+ some time after) to figure out how an opponent was probably attacking in a Cup match this season, and I lost the game 2-0 at home. He used what seemed to be a middle attacking formation, but he went through the flanks and with counters too. Assistant manager was no help at all, and what is funny is that he rarely showed up during that match (maybe he sold the match :p). But in the away match, I set things up to block where I suspected he attacked in the first match, and I went to attack where I should go logically. I won that game 4-0 (if I am not mistaken).
The game match duration itself is way too short. As a manager, someone needs more time (and also more highlights) to analyse what is going on, and more time to make changes, and enough time so that those changes can be put into effect.
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Today's CL semi final away match, oppo 3n-2w-3n-2 q: 84% and me 112% use 3n-1-4-2 with normal tackle; I didn't join the match as manager, watching match as fan with other 5 more fans (7% poss for me), other manager not attend; at 30' one of my winger (mr) received first yellow, leading 0:1 so I thought its happen, but game were waiting to surprise me :(
right after the half round my dmc received straight 'red' :o
stat says bad behaviour he earn that card then why penalty kick for oppo, anyway, my team won 1:4 but how I can control this card if Nord referee were not instructed to do fair judgement :(
Now my best 'dmc' can't play next two match, it's mean if qualify for final then my 'dmc' can't play :mad:
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