This is not a rant, just me looking for answers.

[Hecke]

exactly. i have done it several times and the team who plays in the beggining with proper formation and correct positions but for 80 minutes with illegal formation and wrong positions is winning the team that is starting the match with illegal formation and wrong positions but for 80 minutes they play properly

No way?!

But that means its useless to watch yout games. Why implement the possesion bonus then?

[cracicot]

exactly. i have done it several times and the team who plays in the beggining with proper formation and correct positions but for 80 minutes with illegal formation and wrong positions is winning the team that is starting the match with illegal formation and wrong positions but for 80 minutes they play properly

Dood, I am interested in what this means. Only I am not sure I understand what you wrote. Could you please clarify this? No offense but it is a bit confusing.

[jey2208]

I understand the frustration that can come from the game because even we at Nordeus sometimes get heated when we get too many injuries and lose important matches (we sadly don't have an "I win" button as developers ).

even the creators cannot control the creation.
because of its randomness or what?

[SimplySimon]

And I was so close to not responding any more on this post until.... people actually came back with excellent and specific points

Maor23 - you are right about the support, it's not Nordeus being arrogant though. They outsource through Zendesk who have a copy/paste approach (with all their clients). I had an issue myself and had to send several emails pointing out the inaccuracies and even contradictions in the first few messages they sent me. After that, it got better and the responses were personal. Unfortunately that's not likely to change and we'll have to put some effort into being heard. I do believe that needs rational and polite communication, nobody responds well to abuse

You are also right about Hecke explaining the problem better than your OP, which was perhaps understandably a bit emotionally charged. I guess I was trying to get at the problem of the thread descending into rants and conspiracy theories afterwards. There was a point in your OP, just clouded by a bit of rage :-)

Narf - some really 'fantastic' points! Sorry if that word riled you, maybe I was overcompensating for the amount of abuse the devs get from some ranters. At least a good job though, right?

You really should copy some of the above into this thread

I agree with most of your points entirely. In fact the only major flaw I can find is that in European competition, if a tie is level after both legs away goals DO count in extra time. I also don't believe in pre-determined results/scorers etc. - maybe partly because it would take away some of my enjoyment of the game if I honestly felt that I couldn't influence the outcome of a match

Some of your points are probably about them 'overcompensating' i.e. attending matches makes less of a difference than it used to because they are trying to respond to people supporting themselves through multiple accounts. Of course better communication would clarify that, but I understand it is also difficult for them to announce stuff when they are testing it because that would affect player behaviour and corrupt the test

Overall, that sort of response is exactly the feedback they need to hear and delivered in a way that is concise, clear and well communicated so please put it where it might get seen :-)

[Hecke]

He meant that one player has illegal formation other one has a proper one. After beginnen they simply exchange formations, but the player with the now illegal formations wins anyway because he had the better (and not illegal) formation when game begun.
TEAM A: Illegal Formation TEAM B legal and proper formation

game starts

agter just a few minutes:
TEAM A: legal and proper formation TEAM B illegal fomation

after 90 minutes TEAM B wins
Did I get it right?

[cracicot]

He meant that one player has illegal formation other one has a proper one. After beginnen they simply exchange formations, but the player with the now illegal formations wins anyway because he had the better (and not illegal) formation when game begun.
TEAM A: Illegal Formation TEAM B legal and proper formation

game starts

agter just a few minutes:
TEAM A: legal and proper formation TEAM B illegal fomation

after 90 minutes TEAM B wins
Did I get it right?

That makes perfect sense now.

The team that started the game with legal formation wins no matter what change of formation, even if illegal.

So just to make sure, the test should be done where the legal formation changes formation to illegal at first moment possible after the game starts. Of course the illegal formation changes at the same time to a legal formation.

According to all that has been IMPLIED, the team starting the match with legal formation should win 9 out of 10 times, of course factoring in the Nordeus random-result-game-engine.

This needs to be tested approx 10 times just to verify. VERY INTERESTING

[gkassimis]

thats what i meant. i have done it for 5-6 times and only once the team playing proper formation for 80 minutes won (you need about 10 min to change both formations) . please take notice that not only i changed formation to illegal but i changed also the players positions (striker for goalkeeper, goalkeeper for striker etc). i used it playing against my wifes team and i had to use my reserves against her first team in order the 2 teams to be equal quality. if the 2 teams have a significant quality difference then you can't be sure about your conclusions since the strong team even playing illegal can win the weak.

[Hecke]

Thats just ridiculous...but than again...
A few seasons ago when the engine wasnt so ****ed up as it is now I had the feeling that when I missed a game I lost it. So why the thing with the ball possesion?

[cracicot]

Thats just ridiculous...but than again...
A few seasons ago when the engine wasnt so ****ed up as it is now I had the feeling that when I missed a game I lost it. So why the thing with the ball possesion?

Just like in the Matrix...People reject things when they feel they dont have a choice - conscious or subconscious.

If Nordeus comes out and says "the games are pre-determined, but log in and click on your game and we can play a simulation of the result", does that sound as good as watching a game being played realtime where your choices can affect the game?

People want to be able to affect results. Just ask any Chinese betting company.

Nobody is saying that the results are pre-determined...it is just that certain results tend to make one lean towards believing it.

It would be nice if Nordeus came out and stated in basic non-specific terms, how their application is based so the conspiracies can be put to rest....

At the end of the day, this is clearly just entertainment. How much are you willing to pay to be entertained by Nordeus in this manner?

[Hecke]

Has anyone else tested it? I fear Nordeus wont give a statement...
Perhaps its time to look for a new PVP game...