Do tactics really work or this game is pay to win

[SuperDunk]

Let me guess, he probably was using long passes? The absence of a MC actually increases the potency of long balls reportedly and in my experience although I haven't formally tested the veracity of that. Long ball tactics are very effective against heavy midfields although in my experience rather finicky. To make long balls work, you kind of need the correct players in the correct places with the correct drills on both the defensive and offensive line. Personally, I have never been able to produce much success against stronger teams with long balls, but I have a teammate in my association that uses it lethally to defeat +40% teams consistently. Although I can see how a team can win with long balls, I must agree that Nordeus does give a lot more possession to long ballers than makes sense.

We all know the engine from associations and normal competitions isn t the same.

[tomu741]

I just cant understand too why playing counter attacks with long ball you have more possession than oppo. After all counter attacking means that you give possession away and try to score on the break when you win the ball back.
Probably Khris is absolutely right that you should see this game not as football game but mathematical engine game. And change orders or player placement in such way that it tries to improve match scenario in your way. But it doesnt mean that those changes should be logical that you made during the match

[khris]

I just cant understand too why playing counter attacks with long ball you have more possession than oppo. After all counter attacking means that you give possession away and try to score on the break when you win the ball back.
Probably Khris is absolutely right that you should see this game not as football game but mathematical engine game. And change orders or player placement in such way that it tries to improve match scenario in your way. But it doesnt mean that those changes should be logical that you made during the match

[InvincibleGinger FC]

I just cant understand too why playing counter attacks with long ball you have more possession than oppo. After all counter attacking means that you give possession away and try to score on the break when you win the ball back.
Probably Khris is absolutely right that you should see this game not as football game but mathematical engine game. And change orders or player placement in such way that it tries to improve match scenario in your way. But it doesnt mean that those changes should be logical that you made during the match

Okay, so suppose I am playing against a stronger opponent. How do I determine the correct "mathematical" action else than just straight up trial and error?

A few things I try is to keep ahead on the defense-normal-attack-defense- circle and tackles based statistics and passing based on player ratings or superior numbers.

[khris]

Okay, so suppose I am playing against a stronger opponent. How do I determine the correct "mathematical" action else than just straight up trial and error?

A few things I try is to keep ahead on the defense-normal-attack-defense- circle and tackles based statistics and passing based on player ratings or superior numbers.

Reading the scenario (of course knowing where are the game distances, what I call the Beatability Margin) and understanding the process that the game uses to simulate.
How the engine creates a particular scenario, by doing a simplification of the team players based on previous performances and variables (so thats how you can, manipulate ratings, to get a push in a particular game) and understanding that the game works basically per lists.
...understanding the design of your own team players, and the internal roles assigned, knowing, the streaks that each player can reach (key players get usually 2-3 max. ratings, which are 9-10 as both are the same, so... if a key player have a 7-10-9-8-7- you can expect a push, meaning that he'll very likely be selected to be determinant in the upcoming game once the engine does the team simplification to determine what players will impact in the scenario) and a etc of stuffs.
But at some point the most important is about scenario lecture, read the report and the situation to know what to do just at the minute 20' and ofc this means to be able to read the opponent settings just with the animations and the report.

[khris]

Reading the scenario (of course knowing where are the game distances, what I call the Beatability Margin) and understanding the process that the game uses to simulate.
How the engine creates a particular scenario, by doing a simplification of the team players based on previous performances and variables (so thats how you can, manipulate ratings, to get a push in a particular game) and understanding that the game works basically per lists.
...understanding the design of your own team players, and the internal roles assigned, knowing, the streaks that each player can reach (key players get usually 2-3 max. ratings, which are 9-10 as both are the same, so... if a key player have a 7-10-9-8-7- you can expect a push, meaning that he'll very likely be selected to be determinant in the upcoming game once the engine does the team simplification to determine what players will impact in the scenario) and a etc of stuffs.
But at some point the most important is about scenario lecture, read the report and the situation to know what to do just at the minute 20' and ofc this means to be able to read the opponent settings just with the animations and the report.

"this means to be able to read the opponent settings just with the animations and the report"


But not for tactical reasons. Because the simulation isnt a tactical 1vs1. A scenario is always different from any other, because between all factors that can impact the match, the engine select few factors to impact the game, so sets the options in ON-OFF, and then set some fixed conditionants (aggressivity/ %effectivity favouring etc) and then as theres a maingroup of conditionants, for example, you can realize how some settings you try, impact both teams in the same way, like -you activate counters = you see the oppo doing a counter attack and scoring in the upcoming animation or, as the tackling isnt = aggressivity, if you realize that your opponent has a aggressivity factor applied, you can focus passing to a player that have a yellow card, set hard tackling and force a red for the opponent. Its kinda awkward.

[Polotoed]

"this means to be able to read the opponent settings just with the animations and the report"


But not for tactical reasons. Because the simulation isnt a tactical 1vs1. A scenario is always different from any other, because between all factors that can impact the match, the engine select few factors to impact the game, so sets the options in ON-OFF, and then set some fixed conditionants (aggressivity/ %effectivity favouring etc) and then as theres a maingroup of conditionants, for example, you can realize how some settings you try, impact both teams in the same way, like -you activate counters = you see the oppo doing a counter attack and scoring in the upcoming animation or, as the tackling isnt = aggressivity, if you realize that your opponent has a aggressivity factor applied, you can focus passing to a player that have a yellow card, set hard tackling and force a red for the opponent. Its kinda awkward.

Damn, that's really interesting.

[InvincibleGinger FC]

Reading the scenario (of course knowing where are the game distances, what I call the Beatability Margin) and understanding the process that the game uses to simulate.
How the engine creates a particular scenario, by doing a simplification of the team players based on previous performances and variables (so thats how you can, manipulate ratings, to get a push in a particular game) and understanding that the game works basically per lists.
...understanding the design of your own team players, and the internal roles assigned, knowing, the streaks that each player can reach (key players get usually 2-3 max. ratings, which are 9-10 as both are the same, so... if a key player have a 7-10-9-8-7- you can expect a push, meaning that he'll very likely be selected to be determinant in the upcoming game once the engine does the team simplification to determine what players will impact in the scenario) and a etc of stuffs.
But at some point the most important is about scenario lecture, read the report and the situation to know what to do just at the minute 20' and ofc this means to be able to read the opponent settings just with the animations and the report.

The issue with my league is the extreme variability in power to where teams are either +10% or -30% with a few around +2-5% who I haven't played yet. This makes it hard to make predictions since the player ratings basically go up and down based on the difficulty of the opponent. Do the "ideal" tactics and formation change whenever the opponent makes a change?

[RaiKo]

the streaks that each player can reach (key players get usually 2-3 max. ratings, which are 9-10 as both are the same, so...

Hi Khris. May i learn how this player could get this rating streak? His last six performances: 9(L)-10(L)-10(Cl)-10(C)-10(L)-10(Cl)

[khris]

Hi Khris. May i learn how this player could get this rating streak? His last six performances: 9(L)-10(L)-10(Cl)-10(C)-10(L)-10(Cl)

There is a lot of quality differance betwen your team and the opponents?