Table of Counter Formations v2.0 - Which formation to use?

[Jean.Monico]

I really don't understand this game. So today I played a match against my biggest rival in league. He is 78% and I am 89%. I invested in morale and every player was in superb morale, condition was around 90% for every player I also found counter formation for his formation in the counter formations 2.0 table and I used it. I watched the match and since it was a home game I got 13% possession bonus.

I also clicked every 20 minutes on bonuses in bonus tab in live match. And the result was 1-1. I even put everything on high in defence.. Is it random and bad luck or?[
Bad Luck. I lost one game last season. 0-1. Destroyed the team in the cup and champions league and I was 140 to 118. I gave up 9 goals all season,

3 league titles, 3 Cups, 2 CL

There are some other factors included in the simulations besides the formations that affects a match. Your team may have the greatest formation against an opponent playing with a she1et formation, but you can still have a "bad day" and there are some factors that includes it in game (I feel it could reduce something like 30-40% of your team quality).

Read more about it here: https://forum.topeleven.com/top-elev...op-eleven.html

[nidzo]

Again the same today, i had 90% vs 78% oponnent. Great morale, great condition, good formation, and this is how it ended. I am not sure why I am losing this. Could it be that my team is too young (7-8 players are 18 years old)?

[Toxcatl]

Again the same today, i had 90% vs 78% oponnent. Great morale, great condition, good formation, and this is how it ended. I am not sure why I am losing this. Could it be that my team is too young (7-8 players are 18 years old)?

No, that's not it. I don't mean to be offensive, but your orders are terrible. You are using both High pressing and M2M from the beginning, this is your death sentence in the 2nd half. Also, why Hard tackling? Why Short passes from the beginning? Why didn't you use counter-attacks if you have possession on flanks?
And one more thing: if you know for sure that opponent is going to attack through the middle, always use 3 DC + DMC.

[nidzo]

No, that's not it. I don't mean to be offensive, but your orders are terrible. You are using both High pressing and M2M from the beginning, this is your death sentence in the 2nd half. Also, why Hard tackling? Why Short passes from the beginning? Why didn't you use counter-attacks if you have possession on flanks?
And one more thing: if you know for sure that opponent is going to attack through the middle, always use 3 DC + DMC.

How was I supposed to know that
Basically I read what the info about instructions said and used stuff that got me defensive bonus :/
Should it all be mixed then? Should I be using counters?

My next oponnent is playing 4-1-3W-2

I am gonna go like this 4-4-2
mentality normal
focus passing mixed
passing style mixed
force counter on
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press high
tackling normal
marking style zonal
trap off

Does that look better? Also my left wing is AML, should I putt him ML or AML?

[Toxcatl]

How was I supposed to know that
Basically I read what the info about instructions said and used stuff that got me defensive bonus :/
Should it all be mixed then? Should I be using counters?

My next oponnent is playing 4-1-3W-2

I am gonna go like this 4-4-2
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Does that look better? Also my left wing is AML, should I putt him ML or AML?

It does look better. You see, orders mostly depend on current situation on the field, not the formation. Don't trust anyone on the forum who tells you exactly how you should set them. Those "advisors" don't know a sh1t about this game. It's actually a good test: you are telling me exact orders for the formation? Get out of here! =]
Read the descriptions carefully. High pressing and m2m increase your defence efforts, but also increase condition loss (30-35% more CondLoss from each; 160-170% total CL if you use both). Use them only in important games: as your players get tired they start to perform worse. Plus, less condition after a match means less training, means lower quality for your team. Use both of those together only to hold for the last few minutes of an important match. Be careful to use even one from the beginning, and if you do that, it's probably a good idea to activate Condition bonus.
M2m and High pressing works differently, but I don't have exact information about this, only my own indistinct guesses.
About passes. Start with Normal and look the Statistics screen after 10-15 minutes. If % of completed passes is low, use Short. If it's high, then use Long. What is "low" and "high" you should decide for yourself =]
Be careful with Force c-attacks, it costs possession. I rarely use it if I don't have advantage in possession. And I switch it off if AM tells me it doesn't work.
Always keep an eye on Statistics during the game. Simulation means nothing, Statistics is everything.

[nidzo]

It does look better. You see, orders depend on current situation on the field. Don't trust anyone on the forum who tells you exactly how you should set them. Those "advisors" don't know a sh1t about this game. It's actually a good test: you are telling me exact orders for the formation? Get out of here! =]
Read the descriptions carefully. High pressing and m2m increase your defence efforts, but also increase condition loss (30-35% more CondLoss from each; 160-170% total CL if you use both). Use them only in important games: as your players get tired they start to perform worse. Plus, less condition after a match means less training, means lower quality for your team. Use both of those together only to hold for the last few minutes of an important match. Be careful to use even one from the beginning, and if you do that, it's probably a good idea to activate Condition bonus.
M2m and High pressing works differently, but I don't have exact information about this except my own indistinct guesses.
About passes. Start with Normal and look the Statistics screen after 10-15 minutes. If % of completed passes is low, use Short. If it's high, then use Long. What is "low" and "high" you should decide for yourself =]
Be careful with Force c-attacks, use it only if you have overall advantage in possession. I switch it off if AM tells me it doesn't work.
Always keep an eye on Statistics during the game. Simulation means nothing, Statistics is everything.

Thank you very much for detailed answer, I got 2 easy games now so I will save condition and train team, if things go wrong I will react. I have a reeaally young team. cheers!

[nidzo]

Again me, and again post match depression. Still don't understand the game

I played against a guy who plays a really weird:
4-1-4-1
DL - DC -DC - DC - DR - DMC - AML - AMC - AMC - AMR - FC.

How do you counter that formation?

I tried 4-5-1 V style and lost the match..

Team mentality: Normal
Passing: Mixed
Focus: mixed
Counter: No

Pressure: low
tackling: normal
marking: man to man
offside trap: off