Skill progress

[Steppenwolf]

The average rate a player gains sp is his rate. There is no difference to that anywhere afaik. If your player averages 3% per 1 condition over 30 competitive matches and 30 training sessions then he'll get the same average over a long period in friendlies.

The difference between friendlies and competitive matches is the condition consumed - friendlies consume on average less condition.

I've not seen any evidence to suggest there is a ratings multiplier on gain. I've never really looked to see if there is a difficulty multiplier for friendlies either.

Additionally, I've not seen the level of starting condition affect sp gain. If a player has enough condition to complete the training/match he'll get his expected gain (subject to variation)................IMO.

I believe that friendlies consume less condition than official matches, but players also gain less SP... And ratings don't decide average gain of players, stars do... The more stars a player gets, gain range gets lower... If a 4-star player gets skill progress 16-26 / 32-52 / 48-78 / 112-182 for all three types of training and official match, as a 5-star player he will get less than that (15-25 / 30-50 / 45-75 / 105-175 SP)

[Siddharth Shanker Singh]

@Steppenwolf who is the player that scores the goal in your signature ???

[Buffs Mad]

I believe that friendlies consume less condition than official matches, but players also gain less SP... And ratings don't decide average gain of players, stars do... The more stars a player gets, gain range gets lower... If a 4-star player gets skill progress 16-26 / 32-52 / 48-78 / 112-182 for all three types of training and official match, as a 5-star player he will get less than that (15-25 / 30-50 / 45-75 / 105-175 SP)

Yep, thats what I say too. SP is about rate and condition. (And similarly I saw a variability in gains from high to low of around 60% I think it was.)

On the wider note of 'involvement', a player doesn't get high ratings and consume more condition if he is more involved. A player who is more involved will consume more condition - if that involvement is doing good things he'll get higher ratings but he can also be heavily involved doing bad things and get a low rating. So be aware of the type of involvemt - some players put a lot of effort into being bad (and still make good gains ). (Also some players can do the eye catching things, get good ratings but use less condition.)

[Steppenwolf]

Yep, thats what I say too. SP is about rate and condition. (And similarly I saw a variability in gains from high to low of around 60% I think it was.)

On the wider note of 'involvement', a player doesn't get high ratings and consume more condition if he is more involved. A player who is more involved will consume more condition - if that involvement is doing good things he'll get higher ratings but he can also be heavily involved doing bad things and get a low rating. So be aware of the type of involvemt - some players put a lot of effort into being bad (and still make good gains ). (Also some players can do the eye catching things, get good ratings but use less condition.)

I believe mentality and tactics decide amount of player condition loss (CA and pressing, attack focus, arrows). I almost always play CA down both flanks, and my wingers lose the most condition per game, no matter what rating they get. Condition loss per game range is approximately 16-25%. Also, mentality of your opponent, strength of direct player's opponent and how much hes motivated to play, affect condition too.

[Buffs Mad]

I believe mentality and tactics decide amount of player condition loss (CA and pressing, attack focus, arrows). I almost always play CA down both flanks, and my wingers lose the most condition per game, no matter what rating they get. Condition loss per game range is approximately 16-25%. Also, mentality of your opponent, strength of direct player's opponent and how much hes motivated to play, affect condition too.

Agreed, many many factors can collide.

When I had spoken to t11 last night I decided to do a couple of friendlies. Condition burn on the winning team was between 8-12 and 9-13 on the losing side. The Striker on the winning team used only 8% condition. In a hard drawn CL match this morning my main team went through 17-26 from lazy to hardest working.

Since I play v stle a lot and sometimes counterattack, always flanks, my wingers and wide backs work hard too.

[Steppenwolf]

Agreed, many many factors can collide.

When I had spoken to t11 last night I decided to do a couple of friendlies. Condition burn on the winning team was between 8-12 and 9-13 on the losing side. The Striker on the winning team used only 8% condition. In a hard drawn CL match this morning my main team went through 17-26 from lazy to hardest working.

Since I play v stle a lot and sometimes counterattack, always flanks, my wingers and wide backs work hard too.

8-12 and 9-13... so range for both teams was 8-13... It seems that range for official game is 16-26%, and for friendlies is half of it... I wonder if SP gain range in friendlies is half of SP gain range in official games?

[Buffs Mad]

8-12 and 9-13... so range for both teams was 8-13... It seems that range for official game is 16-26%, and for friendlies is half of it... I wonder if SP gain range in friendlies is half of SP gain range in official games?

I'd guess that yes it will be half'ish because if SP gain is predominately rate and condition - since rate is fixed and condition is halved (on average)...... But we'd need to record loads of matches because there would still be the usual variation applied to 'training' and I don't think I have the appetite for that .

Just from the 2 friendly games I played - both sides hosting 1.

On the one team that doesn't buy players but instead signs Academy youths (too many teams to manage them all ) in the friendly the fast trainers recorded 72, 67, 69, 68, 77 (condition burn was 13, 13, 9, 12, 9) which was more consistent than i expected. The fastest trainer got 77 using only 9 condition.

On the other team I've no idea who is fast or slow training because I manage them purely on performance and buy sell regularly - but 6 players gained between 60-75.

[Buffs Mad]

I'd guess that yes it will be half'ish because if SP gain is predominately rate and condition.......

But I have a question.

At what point in my life did I start typing predominately instead of predominantly? >.< That's twice recently I've noticed that. O.o