[Official] Top Eleven 6.3 - 15th of December

[Kaizer Franz]

Hey guys just to be clear, attributes that are capped will not be trained any further. No training will be wasted on them either. If a drill that you use is targeting one, two or more capped attributes you better take a look at the player's other main attributes and switch things up a bit and train those from there on.

It is a no- response to what i was wondering for ...

What i want to know is if i have a stricker that have 340% pass , and 200 % shoot and speed , what is going on if i use shot, pass &run drill to enhance speed for example . Imagine i don't want to train speed with sprint drill or another one wich also enhance a grey skill like fitness ! So i keep use shot, pass & run , i know pass will not go over 340% but my question is what happen ? Do % which would have get in pass before the update , will go now on the other 2 skills that this drill enhance or is it lost ???

I begin to wonder if it is the last months of my top eleven experience ( i think it is , i just wonder what craps you will introduce next months to limit our choices of managing ) because more'and more limits and caps are introduced ( videos limit , skill cap limit , ect ...) and great features are delete ( job center , loans in association ) . In only way : to prevent the weaker managers to be dominate by the most intelligent ones ...

[Jeeves]

It is a no- response to what i was wondering for ...

What i want to know is if i have a stricker that have 340% pass , and 200 % shoot and speed , what is going on if i use shot, pass &run drill to enhance speed for example . Imagine i don't want to train speed with sprint drill or another one wich also enhance a grey skill like fitness ! So i keep use shot, pass & run , i know pass will not go over 340% but my question is what happen ? Do % which would have get in pass before the update , will go now on the other 2 skills that this drill enhance or is it lost ???

I begin to wonder if it is the last months of my top eleven experience ( i think it is , i just wonder what craps you will introduce next months to limit our choices of managing ) because more'and more limits and caps are introduced ( videos limit , skill cap limit , ect ...) and great features are delete ( job center , loans in association ) . In only way : to prevent the weaker managers to be dominate by the most intelligent ones ...

To use your example:
340% Passing
200% Shooting
200% Speed

Initiate Training session with corresponding drill:

Passing will not be trained at all. Nothing will be gained in this attribute so nothing will be wasted.
Shooting will be trained
Speed will be trained

This is why I suggest that in the case of several capped attributes, a new drill should be selected in order to concentrate efforts on other non-capped attributes.

[Kaizer Franz]

To use your example:
340% Passing
200% Shooting
200% Speed

Initiate Training session with corresponding drill:

Passing will not be trained at all. Nothing will be gained in this attribute so nothing will be wasted.
Shooting will be trained
Speed will be trained

Sorry Jeeves , but could'you answer to this :

Say that 50 greens pack will give to my players with a shot pass& run drill training :
56% pass
53% shoot
49% speed

With this update what would it gives ?

Option A : no pass, 53% shot and 49% speed

Or

Option B : no pass , 81% shot and 77% speed ( if you see what i am talking about )

???

I fear that this is option A which has been implemented

[Jeeves]

Sorry Jeeves , but could'you answer to this :

Say that 50 greens pack will give to my players with a shot pass& run drill training :
56% pass
53% shoot
49% speed

With this update what would it gives ?

Option A : no pass, 53% shot and 49% speed

Or

Option B : no pass , 81% shot and 77% speed ( if you see what i am talking about )

???

I fear that this is option A which has been implemented

Option A is the correct scenario, because the Passing attribute will not be trained due to it being capped at 340%.

Don't look at it as if you're loosing out on training. This is why I suggested (and what I personally will be doing if I get to that point), to pick other drills.
You may be looking at it as if 50 Rests give you roughly 56% passing, 53% shooting and 49% speed but in reality Condition is a global resource for each player. Why? Because all players have more than three main attributes available for training. Couple that with the fact that there are 24 drills to pick from, all having variable sets of attributes that they cover, you can just pick drills that cover Shooting + Speed but not Passing. An ST for example has Passing, Shooting and Speed but also: Dribbling; Finishing; Strength; Creativity; Positioning; Heading; - You got a wide choice of other attributes to cover together with Passing and Shooting.

Another way to look at things is: All the drills cover attributes that are available to only a portion of player Roles. i.e. Every drill has attributes that some players simply won't benefit from when training, as those attributes aren't highlighted for them. It's like 2/3 of the covered attributes. And yet we pick the most adequate/efficient drills for the player we want to power-train individually or a group of players with similar attributes knowing very well that not all of the attributes of the players will be trained, but that's ok because it's like that with all the drills. You gotta mix and match the most beneficial combination of drills.

In short: When you cap an attribute, view it as if it's not highlighted when it comes to training. Disregard it and chose other drills if need be.

Here's a table I made for my colleagues. It helps me with picking the proper drills when coming up with new training routines.

[Toxcatl]

In short: When you cap an attribute, view it as if it's not highlighted when it comes to training. Disregard it and chose other drills if need be.

Let me chime in :3

First of all, thank you (I mean the whole team) for the update. Looks really great. Good job!

I read your posts, but still have a question about training process.
Let's say we are training ML with Pass, Go & Shoot! drill level 1. It gives 2 eXperience Points (XP) and trains Passing, Shooting (grey for ML), and Speed. Each skill should get 2 / 3 = 0.66 XP if they're all highlighted, but since Shooting is grey, the distribution will be different: Passing and Speed get 0.75 XP, Shooting gets 0.5 XP.
What will be the distribution if Shooting skill is highlighted (white), but has already reached the cap of 340%? In other words, how much XP will Passing and Speed get, 0.75 or 0.66?

[Guido van den Berg]

To see if Jeeves is telling the truth, I performed a little experiment. The conclusion is clear: gained skill points to skills above 340% are not assigned and are LOST.

I have this player - well power trained a few months ago - looking like this:



I used 150% rest (10 green packs) on stretch training. None of these trainings gained any skill points, as expected. After that, I performed a training with 1 slalom dribble drill. This was the result:



Next, I used 150% rest (10 green packs) on goalkeeper training. None of these trainings gained any skill points of course. After that, I performed a training with 1 slalom dribble drill. This was the result:



So using training a drill with skills above 340% is not quite the same as goalkeeper training. The latter saves the gained skill points, while the first does not. So it absolutely makes sense to avoid these training drills.

I’ve been trying to avoid those drills for the last month. My conclusion is: you cannot. I need to train my players in groups for the training bonuses. The daily training scheme for my entire team contains physical skills. This is unavoidable. My players kept gaining points for physical skills. These are useless and slow down the progress in other skills (since they count for the overall player strength). The last disadvantage is no longer applicable, but the skill points above 340% are now lost forever. They will not come into effect when I promote and the skills drop below 340%. I really don’t know what’s worse: the situation before or after this update.

[Toxcatl]

I’ve been trying to avoid those drills for the last month. My conclusion is: you cannot. I need to train my players in groups for the training bonuses. The daily training scheme for my entire team contains physical skills. This is unavoidable. My players kept gaining points for physical skills. These are useless and slow down the progress in other skills (since they count for the overall player strength). The last disadvantage is no longer applicable, but the skill points above 340% are now lost forever. They will not come into effect when I promote and the skills drop below 340%. I really don’t know what’s worse: the situation before or after this update.

Thank you for your testing, it's great!

About bonuses, you shouldn't train them with the main squad. Use this method. I have 4 DL/ML (or similar) players who do nothing except bonus training.
And it's a good idea to train your players individually, it doesn't take much time once you have determined what they need.

[rogerniceguy]

To see if Jeeves is telling the truth, I performed a little experiment. The conclusion is clear: gained skill points to skills above 340% are not assigned and are LOST.

I have this player - well power trained a few months ago - looking like this:



I used 150% rest (10 green packs) on stretch training. None of these trainings gained any skill points, as expected. After that, I performed a training with 1 slalom dribble drill. This was the result:



Next, I used 150% rest (10 green packs) on goalkeeper training. None of these trainings gained any skill points of course. After that, I performed a training with 1 slalom dribble drill. This was the result:



So using training a drill with skills above 340% is not quite the same as goalkeeper training. The latter saves the gained skill points, while the first does not. So it absolutely makes sense to avoid these training drills.

I’ve been trying to avoid those drills for the last month. My conclusion is: you cannot. I need to train my players in groups for the training bonuses. The daily training scheme for my entire team contains physical skills. This is unavoidable. My players kept gaining points for physical skills. These are useless and slow down the progress in other skills (since they count for the overall player strength). The last disadvantage is no longer applicable, but the skill points above 340% are now lost forever. They will not come into effect when I promote and the skills drop below 340%. I really don’t know what’s worse: the situation before or after this update.

People still being ripped off with greens. Unpleasant situation. It was better before update 6.3. At least if a skill went over 340 you would benefit season after promotion when skills drop. Now it is totally and utterly lost. Rip off!

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[girl gooner]

Option A is the correct scenario, because the Passing attribute will not be trained due to it being capped at 340%.

Don't look at it as if you're loosing out on training. This is why I suggested (and what I personally will be doing if I get to that point), to pick other drills.
You may be looking at it as if 50 Rests give you roughly 56% passing, 53% shooting and 49% speed but in reality Condition is a global resource for each player. Why? Because all players have more than three main attributes available for training. Couple that with the fact that there are 24 drills to pick from, all having variable sets of attributes that they cover, you can just pick drills that cover Shooting + Speed but not Passing. An ST for example has Passing, Shooting and Speed but also: Dribbling; Finishing; Strength; Creativity; Positioning; Heading; - You got a wide choice of other attributes to cover together with Passing and Shooting.

Another way to look at things is: All the drills cover attributes that are available to only a portion of player Roles. i.e. Every drill has attributes that some players simply won't benefit from when training, as those attributes aren't highlighted for them. It's like 2/3 of the covered attributes. And yet we pick the most adequate/efficient drills for the player we want to power-train individually or a group of players with similar attributes knowing very well that not all of the attributes of the players will be trained, but that's ok because it's like that with all the drills. You gotta mix and match the most beneficial combination of drills.

In short: When you cap an attribute, view it as if it's not highlighted when it comes to training. Disregard it and chose other drills if need be.

Here's a table I made for my colleagues. It helps me with picking the proper drills when coming up with new training routines.

I hope it works for me .It could be very handy

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[Alessio Fitch]

Option A is the correct scenario, because the Passing attribute will not be trained due to it being capped at 340%.

Don't look at it as if you're loosing out on training. This is why I suggested (and what I personally will be doing if I get to that point), to pick other drills.
You may be looking at it as if 50 Rests give you roughly 56% passing, 53% shooting and 49% speed but in reality Condition is a global resource for each player. Why? Because all players have more than three main attributes available for training. Couple that with the fact that there are 24 drills to pick from, all having variable sets of attributes that they cover, you can just pick drills that cover Shooting + Speed but not Passing. An ST for example has Passing, Shooting and Speed but also: Dribbling; Finishing; Strength; Creativity; Positioning; Heading; - You got a wide choice of other attributes to cover together with Passing and Shooting.

Another way to look at things is: All the drills cover attributes that are available to only a portion of player Roles. i.e. Every drill has attributes that some players simply won't benefit from when training, as those attributes aren't highlighted for them. It's like 2/3 of the covered attributes. And yet we pick the most adequate/efficient drills for the player we want to power-train individually or a group of players with similar attributes knowing very well that not all of the attributes of the players will be trained, but that's ok because it's like that with all the drills. You gotta mix and match the most beneficial combination of drills.

In short: When you cap an attribute, view it as if it's not highlighted when it comes to training. Disregard it and chose other drills if need be.

Here's a table I made for my colleagues. It helps me with picking the proper drills when coming up with new training routines.

Hey Jeeves..No disrespect but how can you state you're playing this game and be OKAY with greens ripper ??Read Nash's post as it seems you haven't understood a thing from what everyone posted and you guys keep finding ways of burning people out..Stop with this STEALING !!!