How many troll results you had this season ?

[Javert89]

Really????

It was romantic until 86'.. With a difference of 53 points (210%?)

Ps I was with 4-5-1v and the other team with 3-2-3-2.. Countered me so Well?

[Tactician]

Hi everyone. I have seen a lot complaints concerning abnormal, unexpected and 'troll' results. I wanted to post on this subject since a few days, but did not do so, but I have posted today. Let me be clear though: I don’t intend to hurt anyone, neither the users of this game nor the people working or representing Nordeus.


When doing comparisons, do not consider or refer to percentage quality difference shown in this game. Difference in percentage quality of teams in this game is misleading, and clearly is the higher you move up in the levels. Use difference in terms of quality points.

Those what some are referring to as ‘bot teams’ are not bot teams. They are what seem to be abandoned teams (that too, some may not be fully abandoned teams). Bot teams are those teams usually found in the lower league levels (L1-L3), that can be recognisable by their names. In this game, teams can be classified as bot teams, abandoned teams, semi-active teams, active tams but with manager mostly absent from the bench, active teams with manager present, and special bot teams (only one more likely, which is Mourinho FC). Do you notice the order I have listed them? This is the expected order in terms of difficulty someone should expect when playing against. Bot teams play at low level; any decent team with decent formation will beat them. Mourinho FC is a special case; do not compare it with others. Mourinho FC is the sort of team that plays at the highest level or close to highest, where the bot counters your team settings for every simulated bit of the match. That does not mean it can’t be beaten. To compare, it is like you are a playing a video game in legendary mode, but you can still beat the game in this mode.


In real life, there were matches where a team beat the other by mostly sitting back, defend and scoring at the only opportunity they get (usually this is by counter-attack or something resulted from counter-attack, that is a corner or free-kick, or a goal conceded due to mistakes or by chance). The losing team, especially if was a stronger team would be like dominating the match, having the ball most of the time (possession), having many shots, but will still lose or draw. This situation might be more apparent in knock-out matches. If something as such has occurred as simulation in this game, this is not ‘trolling’ as long as the one team actually intended (has decent orders and formation) to play that way. But also, that does mean every weak team would win or draw against stronger team by playing such a way. Let’s just say it can happen a few times in a season.

There is another situation that occurred and occurs in real life football. This is what some say as having a bad day. It is where the team is clearly stronger but still fails to win for reasons like some of their players not at their best, many opportunities missed, and so on, and even the significant decisions of the referee. This is probably the one that should occur randomly but rarely in this game, but probably that has been occurring way too many times as compared to real life. A bad day can occur 1-4 times in a season for a particular team, but that does not mean that same team should be having like 3 or more bad days every season for several seasons. Maybe some tweaking is needed in that area of the game.



Based on the matches I have attended this season, there are indications that abandoned teams are playing at an unexpectedly higher level. Weak abandoned teams seem to be scoring goals where they should not be. It could be that Nordeus made some changes, but they have not told you or did not even revealed after so many complaints, just like they have not revealed the changes and then the fix for flaws related to changes that they made in the game in the past (when they introduced those bonuses, the assistant manager and sent surveys asking users if they feel if there was any effect when they do this or that in the game, and later fixed flaws with those things that were causing anomalous amount of goals conceded). But, it could also be something that was in the game way back, just it a bit more pronounced these days or maybe by chance many are experiencing it more now. Way back (in 2015), I made complaints about my team not performing as it should and so on – as if the results were not satisfying for what I had in my team and what the opponent had, or as if my team was being blocked from performing as it should. Someone also posted recently that he felt he was struggling in some matches despite that he won all the matches. Maybe Nordeus made some tweaks and those tweaks are affecting some active users more due to the way those users usually play the game. Given the amount of abandoned teams in the majority of the levels, it is ok if those teams have a little boost or internal help, else it would be like 1-3 teams league every season, but it should be fair to all the active teams. It is not appropriate if an abandoned team had some boost (other than that from the factors that are present for all matches) when it faced one of the active teams in a league or other competition and then did not have that same boost when it faced the other active teams in that same competition; the boost should be a common one and ever present or completely absent, but not one in a match and then none in the other match.

I saw posts about association matches, where some users noticed that those matches were not like the usual matches, things that I noticed way back and what made me quit my association and contributed to my decision to quit the whole game. From what I noticed during the last weeks in where I played for my association (that was in 2016), I can tell you that it became more or less clear that the matches were fixed; the results were pre-determined. In one match, it was so clear that in some way to say, I was like sitting back eating peanuts on the bench watching the opposing manager making changes, trying hard to win, but there was no way he was going to win there as the result was pre-determined. In some cases, the amount of goals may change, but the final result in terms of losing and winning won’t change. I suspect that during a period, associations could have well been simulated just like friendly matches (and maybe still are), where probably most things seemed to be pre-determined before the start of the match itself.

In the past, me too I felt that the game was like penalising active managers; lots of injuries, strange results, other abnormal things. But why would a company intentionally discourage their loyal users of their game? Maybe many things are just due to unintentional flaws or faults, or maybe some were actually intended; only some people at the company there know what they intended and what not.

Like I said when I was about to quit the game for the second time, the problem in this game is not about winning or losing, but how you win or lose. Nothing is perfect in this world; some things can be accepted but there is a limit. A manager could be working really hard (transfers, training, tactics, attendance and so on), and despite all this and having a team of superior quality than his opponents, he lose important games that cost him 1st place in competitions (usually in the knock-out competitions), while another manager could be doing nothing much and he wins the competition. What is even more unacceptable is when you spend money, especially significant amounts of money for your situation or for an online game like Top Eleven, and despite that and all the hard work that I said earlier, you still lose (not a match, but the trophies themselves) to significantly less hard-working managers. I myself, I lost more in terms of trophies when I was playing very seriously and also putting in significant amounts of money, but I won many trophies when playing on and off and not putting in money. Some undesirable things can happen in a season, but when it becomes too common, for example say every season or every two seasons, then it is wrong.

When someone is winning a lot because of his hard work, his tactics and so on, it is ok. When a weak team beats a stronger team by tactics or a combination of tactics and chance, it is ok. When a strong team had a bad day once in a season or two, it is ok. But when a team has not been winning a decent amount of matches a season due to random effects (what some refer to as roll of dices), this is not ok, but can be accepted if that happens rarely, that is once every 10 seasons. When someone is being knocked-out or lose finals in the Champions League, Cup or Nivea League every season by inferior teams and managers due to the randomness in the game, despite putting lots of effort every season, this is unfair. It is good to have some randomness in this game, but when the effect is too pronounced or some undesirable things are occurring way too frequently, this is not acceptable.

I understand those users that are playing this game very seriously, like spending so much time, making so much effort and in some cases spending decent amounts of money, only to have failures or unfair results due to ‘****ty’ or inappropriate things programmed in the game. I quit this game so many times for several reasons, but there are many common reasons. The way this game works, you can’t really play it with that seriousness. Later, I came back to play for a short time like a season or two, like I did earlier this year (2017) and then now, but not with that same level of seriousness. Now, in some way to say, I take many things like they come. Many of the negatives in this game don’t affect me that much as before because I no longer put in so much effort, time and money in it as I was before. So, maybe some of you that are playing this game very seriously should drop the level of seriousness in it. If the game becomes a pain, then better take a break from it or even quit it.

It is understandable that the company needs to make money, that it needs to grow financially and so on, but deceiving people or fooling people to make money is wrong.

[Kto]

Agree with Tactician, we shouldnt take results as seriosly at the end. And no forum user should spend money until we get answers to basic questions, otherways many of us think, the game is just a dice roll. Disagree, that the company may not fool people. We decide, whether we want to be fooled or not.

[rogerniceguy]

Great post tactician. Before reading your post I had already decided to take a 3 month break which may turn permanent who knows. I have been taking it too seriously and have grown frustrated. The better my team becomes the more I feel penalised. It is fine for there to be shocks/upsets/trolls as they happen in real football. The problem here is they are too common and are engineered in a way to punish and try and stimulate active managers to work harder by spending more money or doing more offers. I hope by taking a break I can come back play less seriously and have fun a season or 2 at a time

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[rogerniceguy]

1 suggestion I have is to just do away with levels and remove non active teams altogether or maybe merge levels into a new league structure. Let's just have active teams play

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[jwoods]

i quit 3 years ago or so, i came back to see what state the game was in now. well nothing changed, the game still throws out stupid results that make no sense. i have drawn to 2 bottom of the league teams 2 days in a row, one is clearly abandoned it has lost the last 6 or 7 games before i played them. i'm 30% better team. i dont care if it says some of my players had a bad day, i'm still head and shoulders better team and i have players with morale which i have kept up. what state do you expect the morale to be of a team bottom of the league who lose every day? so im 30% stronger team than an abandoned team who is bottom of the league with no morale, but somehow they get a draw against me, oh yeah a last minute draw too. Nothing has changed in this game for 3 years or more, the devs clearly dont listen.

the troll results section of the forum was the most busy 3 years ago, it still is. people have been complaining about the illogical results and nothing gets done, why do people keep playing? i'm not wasting my time on this game anymore. what is the point of buying good players and training and raising morale every day etc etc, and the game decides some guy with a 4-4-2 team is going to win the league instead of you just because 4-4-2 always wins apparently, even when stats say you should have been beaten. i'm done with this game, there are better things to do in life than waste time on things that make no sense

[ibangali]

As I pointed on post # 25, why away game is better than home game, I also wrote somewhere that why unattended game is better than attended game. So, CL q. final home match trolled [0:0 post # 107] then away match won 0:4; 80 min I watch as a fan with other fan but I didn't join the game as manager, game goes to 0:3 then I join but by this time game goes to 89 or 90 min and over 0:4. If you see the screenshot, it shows 15% bonus but it doesn't gave me morale pack (blue) as a manager attended

Same formation, same players, only change I made is, no c/a. Because I just remember t11_fan's one point about c/a then last 2 days I didn't use c/a and see it's really broken and causing more shot or SoT for oppo.

Force counterattacks
I have to admit that I don't use force counterattacks (CA) button at all. Why? Because I've noticed that fair amount of CA's have been broken, but worse is that then opponent starts CA against team whose CA was broken. Do not force CA when you play offensive! Force CA should be used when defending.

If Nord doing the troll for make a twist on the game, then why twist, is it for fun but it doesn't make fun, its make frustration. If I could win my home match then I might not week up 3:30 am and attend the match at 3:58 am (away match start time 3:58 am est).

[Tactician]

As I pointed on post # 25, why away game is better than home game, I also wrote somewhere that why unattended game is better than attended game. So, CL q. final home match trolled [0:0 post # 107] then away match won 0:4; 80 min I watch as a fan with other fan but I didn't join the game as manager, game goes to 0:3 then I join but by this time game goes to 89 or 90 min and over 0:4. If you see the screenshot, it shows 15% bonus but it doesn't gave me morale pack (blue) as a manager attended

Same formation, same players, only change I made is, no c/a. Because I just remember t11_fan's one point about c/a then last 2 days I didn't use c/a and see it's really broken and causing more shot or SoT for oppo.



If Nord doing the troll for make a twist on the game, then why twist, is it for fun but it doesn't make fun, its make frustration. If I could win my home match then I might

Going by football logic, force counters-attacks would be for defensive and at most normal mentalities while attacking and hard attacking with force counter-attacks are expected to be bad combinations, but not in this game. In this game, people have been using combinations like hard attacking, force-counter attack, high pressing and so on and still winning, and in the past, following assistant manager's advice during some particular matches lead to what would be bad or inappropriate combinations in nearly all situations in real football but seem to be the good or appropriate combinations to use in Top Eleven. Maybe some people at Nordeus themselves don't know much about football (or they copied many things from somewhere without knowing enough on the subject) or the orders don't do what they are expected to do based on the words used, or it could be a combination of both, or maybe we are the ones wrongly interpreting their orders or words used in this game.

One of the main problem in this game is what this or that do. Do they do what they are supposed to do according to their definition in terms of language and subject concerned? How much effect do they have? Or are they cosmetic? Some people from Nordeus might tell you it is up to the user to find out how things work in this game, and I agree to that to a certain extent, but some things must be revealed and the other things that are put to for the user to find out must follow the logic of the subject concerned (football and management). Some people at Nordeus might even lie to you concerning things in the game when you ask them. I am not saying that those on the forum here lied to you; maybe the information they are given from other employees there to transmit to you (and maybe the same applies for the case of those at support section) are not always the truth; what I mean is that some people from higher up in the branch have lied about things and then those lies have been transmitted to below. It is something you won't be shocked to find out nowadays for this game given that many deceiving things can be clearly noticed in the game itself.

All that being said, there are worst and much worst online games and support for online games. There is an online game (a sort of role-playing and action game) that I played seriously after I quit Top Eleven for the second time (in 2016); this game is the worst I have seen so far in terms of support, professionalism and honesty, especially for the price they asked users to pay to get things to progress in the game.

My message to all the users: don't let a game (that too, a virtual one) that you played and playing for fun and entertainment become a main source of anger, frustration, stress and pain in your life. Take things in such games less seriously or with less importance. Do not put money directly into it - spending money and then suffering unfair failures latter make matters worst. Also, If you think there are bad things in a game, then don't pay to play that game or don't spend money in it; it would be like financially supporting something that is bad according to you. Don't let your imperfections (for example, in the case of this game, addiction or want to achieve) get the better of you. It is good that people fight against unfairness or what is wrong, even if it is in a virtual game, but if this game is becoming a real pain, then take a break from it or even quit it. Also, like I said, there are much worst games out there in terms of the games themselves and their support, so see the positives too.

[MiddleEarth]

And I've reached the end of my T11 journey. Had the CL 1/4 final return leg at home today, after drawing 2-2 away against the only real opponent left, however, that one still miles behind my quality. What happens? First direct red card, 10th minute. Second direct red card, 28th minute. Switched off, logged back in some hours later, and surprise, surprise I saw that I've lost 0-1. Stats don't matter at all, but my team had still way better overall stats. Some hours later, league game, once again at home vs. an abandoned team, 10th position +43% Q. Switched to easy tackling mode. 63rd minute, direct red card for the only attacker. 72-28% poss., 21-7 shots, 14-2 on goal, 0-1 penalty 63rd after that red card. First season loss in the league, still first with a 6 points cushion to the 2nd, which I defeated both times.

This game is becoming nonsense, and I wont spend any second longer with it, despite having also reached the Cup final for the first time since season 3, after battling out all +1 level opponents (1st round +1lvl, +18% q., round of 32, +1lvl, +24% q., 1/8 finals, +1 lvl, +12% q., 1/4 finals, +1lvl, +8%, 1/2 finals, +1lvl, +11% q.).

That's it, I quit and wish all those m... who designed and implemented that nonsense of an engine, the same nonsense happening in their bloody lives as well!

Will leave also the association after this weekends final. So long, take care!

[Iridensys]

3 days ago direct red card after 2 minutes against the second in my league.

Today another important game against the fourth, another direct red card at minute 27.

Fortunately I have won, but what's happening???? 0 red cards in all season and now 2 direct red cards against the second and the fourth in my league..with tackling normal.

Nordeus are you looking for to make me lose the league? Tell me so I leave the game. It is not possibile that only me have red cards in important games during the season.

Last season two direct cards in two consecutive days, one in CL and one in Cup at the same minute in the first half, now this.

It's not funny.

Even though today I won it is not fun to see these things