A Guide for fast trainers

[nikolgiorgos]

LV3 p10 d22 “Win … ODT”

Ok, another observation – it’s not a conclusion because if you can’t experiment with something many times, you can’t be sure.

As I said, the rate of the players in a game doesn’t affect their raise after that.
Also the importance or difficulty of a game doesn’t affect the raise .

Here you can see , first is the raise in my league (LV3) game, won 6-0 , against a Bot team and bellow the raise after a game of Cup semifinals against a LV5 team full of 6*-7*-8* players -I won 2-1
The results are again in the same (roll dice) level.





TIAGO SILVA man of the match +100, 6* players round 50, good trainers round 100, HULK +108 !

[nikolgiorgos]

LV3 p11 d22 “Go west young man”

At 3 Sep, day10 of this season, I get my first (cause I’m LV3/League3) new youngsters.

Lemonis GK 18 y.o. 2* - I let him go .
Apostolou GK (again, wtf is it a GK academy I made ?) 18 y.o. 4*, 26Q, I sign a contract with him – 21T and after then I saw his VALUE 3,31M and WAGE 33K.
In some posts I’ve read that others let free the good/expensive one and keep the cheap, the duck, to sell him (but I ‘m a guy of research) .

Hmmm good Training Factor I thought (ok let’s adv. My thread about fast trainers).
So I sold my other 2nd GK for 1’ M and start using the young.
As you can see in about 11 days he gained almost 50 skill points which I allocate to him, so now has 29Q from 26Q and his value already become 4,04 M .
His performance in games is good (if this has some meaning, specially for GK )



And he has the team record, +200 raise in a game (not man of the match).



With the sk. points he gets, next season will be also 4* and maybe I ‘ll think about a special ability.
His value now is 4 M’ and if we say that in my level (I said this because the money dif. from LV to LV) the first, Bank loan is 1,5M > 15 Token, so 1T >100K $, he has about the value of 40T. So it was a good deal for me, yes I believe that from an academy you can have good players and fast trainers (ofc. Luck matters) and I ‘ll try it again.

this post is also in another thread about young players .

[nikolgiorgos]

LV3 p12 d26 “How to teach an old dog new tricks”

“After 22 it can still be worth Training, especially in their happy place. I have had 26 y.o.s do as well as youngsters in their favorite type of training.” Cat Harrison’s post in page 2.
(This post is dedicate to her for the interest she showing for newbies)
Ok this guy with this strange name is the case we’re talking about.



When I saw him in the market I was amazed by his TR Factor VALUE 1,47M /WAGE 4,1K =358 . I bought him Sep 4, for 1,42M 3rd round. I sold DAVID LUIZ from my squad ( in 1st post) for 1M and start recording. (Yes, another guinea pig for my lab).

My first thought was, this guy must shoot his agent . Ok , this FACTOR isn’t the original. He must be started around with 600-800K, his x manager trained him a lot, add his skills and sell him with this added Value and the same Wage. To be precise, he sold him to another manager because the fast training must happened under 22 y.o. and all the contracts last 3 years. So I must be his 3rd manager. I had an empty pos. in my squad (I always do) so I signed with him with the same Wage.
In the case I had 22 players and sold one to have an empty place to sign with Muhadir, he would demand a bigger wage , similar to his value.

Another interesting thing is that his x manager put almost all his skills only in defense. He is a monsterous Def. I use him as DC/DR with success in all difficult games. His attack is very low but I didn’t notice a lot of comments like, you know, “he missed the shoot” or “ wrong pass”. He also scores from time to time.
And the interesting thing is that he still gaining decent raise in training.

Let’s see some records in the next post.

[nikolgiorgos]

LV3 p12 d26 “How to teach an old dog new tricks” part2

Here we have 4 players
CAFU, 19 y.o. TR FACTOR VALUE 2,21M/WAGE 95K =23,26 , a “bucket” which I was thinking to sell but I changed my mind cause I had dif.games in front and I thought I could use him.
MUHADHIR with characteristics above.
HULK 21 y.o. with starting TR FACTOR VALUE 1,84M/WAGE 39K =47,8 a fast trainer who now has 6 stars (the results below are with HULK has 6*). I analyze it few posts above
SILVA 18 y.o. VALUE 5,8/ WAGE87 =66,67 a nordgen player (I’ll make another post later).

Here are some results



As you can see MUHADHIR has very food results, ok you can’t say that he is fast trainer but it’s worthy to train him –at least much more than his younger mate CAFU.
HULK with his 6 stars continue hitting good numbers. Some lower results are in the range of a “roll dice” . Too bad he is 21. Anyway I’ll see how he ‘ll react next season.
TIAGO SILVA has also good numbers but not like HULK’S. I believe that in these levels it’s easier to find a fast trainer and much cheaper than a nordgen .

"The names of the players are random and have nothing to do with real life"

[nikolgiorgos]

I 'm trying with tests, to give some answers / conclusions simple enough for a rookie

- " it’s worthy to train" a player over 21
- "with his 6 stars continue hitting good numbers"
- "in these levels it’s easier to find a fast trainer and much cheaper than a nordgen" meaning LV 1-4

it's a roll dice but still +4 water > +3 fire

[PricopGeorgeCătălin]

Nice job, I added your tutorial here: http://forum.topeleven.com/tutorials...ls-guides.html

[nikolgiorgos]

LV3 p13 d26 “ oops … I hit wrong button”

In the morning as I wake for my job, I ‘m taking a look at t11 in my Samsung s4 ( please SAMSUNG , be my sponsor ), special in transfers.
Yesterday, I saw a young 18 y.o. player and instead of hitting “add to favourites ” to watch , I touch next button, “bid”. Playing the game in android , the buttons are very close
This player was a nordgen, an expensive young player, good trainer and with good performance. Actually after then, I didn’t expect that I would win him with only 1 T. The veterans are hunting them like the Holy Grail (you can find more info in forum if you put the word in search button ).
Ok , in low levels there are also good or better trainers than them as you can see in the previous post . I put him in some training but I decided to sell him because in 2 days he would become 19 y.o. and with a less star (and I wanted the money for his younger brother )



These guys are desirable so I sold him (even 2 days before the end of the season) with the same money. With experience you ‘ll know what players gonna sell with a good (max) price. Don’t get disappointed if your player wasn’t sold with the first try.



His previous team




His stats for few trainings.



I don’t know if I did a mistake because in next season I’ll have negotiations and I don’t know a thing yet ( I ‘ll update ). Please inform …

[nikolgiorgos]

LV3 p14 d26 “ Sold! Sold! Sold! ”

Last day of the season and this post has more to do with tactics about fast trainers, not research. Ok, we found some fast trainers , we trained them 1-2 seasons and now what to do with them ?
Sell them! Ok, not all of them I mean.





Here are some players I sold those last days . Some of the are under 22 but they couldn’t help my goal, to have a competitive team of 5* or more later in the tough games.
As you can see, all the players sold after assign them the gaining skills, with the max price (if I remember correct, more, because there were small bidding wars).



Busuthill, Shehata and DANI ALVES only, was bought for 3,57M and sold for 5,19M .

If you have good players, you can have a good team and win the games which gives you good rates and that’s give added value to the players. Also all of my players help the team to win the league (unbeaten) for 3rd year, make till semi-finals in the Cup, and win CH.L. http://forum.topeleven.com/top-eleve...eague-you.html

* As you can see, many players have names of Brazilian legends. This is for 3 reasons

- I like it and I can afford it (I’m fan of Brazil – don’t say anything about World Cup )
- It helps me to recognize the players in the comments of a game
- It gives added value in transfers

I want to thanks many friends who help me with their posts (you can see them), I want more people to send me info or results – specially that saying that my theory is wrong and finally I would like to answer in of your questions.

See you in next season

[nikolgiorgos]

LV4 p15 day “The wise man Nassredin Hodja” (for more info search google)

Hi my friends.
This season I want to continue my guide with a little story of Nassredin Hoja. He was living many years ago in a small village in Middle East. He was so wise that the people of the village were coming to him to solve their problems or disagreements (a kind of judge) .
One day two men went to him to resolve their problem. At first , one of them told Nassredin about his point of view and Nassredin said to him “You are right !” , then the other man told Nassredin about his. Nassredin said to him “You are right !”. Nassradin’s wife , was hearing the stories and told to Nassradin - "My husband , you said the first one that he was right and then the other one that he was right too. How ‘s that ?" "If one of them is right, the other one is wrong." Nassradin said to his wife “ Hey, you are right too!” .
Why I told you this story? Because that morning, the first day of the season I was found in the forum many question like “ Hey, should I buy a scout player ?” “Is a scout worthy of 50T?” “Is as scout fast trainer?” and answers of willing but of course far more experience players “Hey don’t buy a scout, it’s not worthy” “buy a fast trainer and make him better “ and so …
If a rookie, asking someone ,without giving a clue about his situation, his finance or his knowledge about the game, a veteran manager off course will give this advice. Which is wrong for some cases.

The key to success is
-To know what you want
-To know what you can
-To find how you can support it
(and of course asking in the forum exact questions, while giving enough info).

So let’s be more practical, let’s talk with numbers and examples .
Let’s take the ideal case you 'll be lucky (?) like my friend Siddharth who wrote this “Bought 3 most expensive Nordeus Gens and every one of them is training like SH*T... ... “ the first day of the season.
Let’s say we have a fast trainer who’s gaining 1,5 skills in every power training and let’s say another 1,5, in a game. So we have about 5 skills X 28 days=140 skill points. If we have this fantastic player Q39, 5*, he’ll become 6* in 3 days (5 sk.pointsX 3 =15 > + 1Q) and in day 18 he ‘ll be 7* player were we can say that this player with his quality ‘ll make the difference.

The disadvantages are that this players gonna need about 4 green packs per day (112 for the season) and a lot of health packs for injuries . If injuries happen, a fast trainer must be healed asap and it is wise not to use him after healing in a game or in power training. Those sources are only for 1 fast trainer of the team (that’s why I put only 2 trainings per day) and it’s an estimate.

The veterans know how to find these players in the market (time is important) and how to avoid bidding war . These players of 18 y.o. beside their quality, many times doesn’t perform well , they get yellow cards or they are addicted to injuries. So I believe that the most you can get from a young fast trainer is at the end of the season or better the next year. The price is about two times a scout’s and 2-4 from 5* older player.
A scout can offer to the team immediately, you can choose a guy for the position you want, with a useful SA, young 22-23, with a Q4 or Q9. SANTOS , my scout of the 2nd season was one of my best players, also RIVALDO, the scout of this season was the MVP. The scouts of course are very slow trainers (you can see their Train Factor), yes, they are the V.I.P. of the team , but they can gain about 0,6 per game and very often 1 sk.point from “Man Of the Match”. Meaning next year they can be also 6* and the third year very good 5* players. Ok the next year they ‘ll’ become 4* and with no progress any more but they can give 3 excellent years and can be sold easy.
So, if you have difficult games in front, a league with an unbeaten opponent, an upper lv CUP or a difficult group in CH.L. , a scout is more useful if you have the Token.
If not, another solution Is players with 5*, in the age of 27-28-29.

So, some times, everyone is right.

[nikolgiorgos]

LV4 p16 day3 «Here come’s the Nordgen”

Ok, the third day of this season, early in the morning, the market was full of 18-19 y.o. 5* players. The Nordgens.

Before that, 2 dry days with nothing interesting in the market about players with high Training Factor so I just bought 2-3 5* players .
This morning I hit 2 Nordgens and I’m ready to start my research for this season. This season my team has 2 18 y.o., 3 19 y.o. , 4 20 y.o. and a couple of interest cases with a variety of stars. I have started some records and tomorrow I think I 'll show you some.




The good thing was that I didn’t pay much T so I will change their names with 2 T , but as you can see the prices was a little bit high

Negotiations list also was totally bored.

Is it LV4 when I couldn’t find any other really fast trainers, with high Training Factor and lower prices ? Is it were all the wages of the players are >100 K and only with a very big VALUE you can find a decent Training Factor ?
Let’s see in the next days …