Pros and cons in power training

[nikolgiorgos]

power training is what we called spending greens on one player and give q +1,2,3 or one star (75 sp) with hard training.
3 bars in practice match. In old version it's -18 condition loss.
This can last few minutes. Just for the fast trainer, not a group or the whole team.

Age isn't the most imprtant. A 23 y.o. nordgen can get more gaining than a 0T academy player.
So you can use the old version to understand if the player you got is a fast trainer.
Check this thread for exampes
http://forum.topeleven.com/tutorials...ainers-35.html

After you 'll recognize that your player is a fast trainer, you can use a variety of drills on him.
Depending from his position and the level of the drills you have.

[Nudo74]

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[nikolgiorgos]

Today I found the first nordgen (fast trainer) of the season.
He was a simple MC but only a 2-3 sp from the next star.
As I won't buy another player this season (my team is complete) I decided to invest some greens on him.
I used him in 2 games as AMC but is seems he doesn't have the talent.
So I gave him DMC position using the old classic power training (3 bars, practice match) and spent about 64-65 greens.
After that, I used the new training with a set of six drills to give him Play maker sa.
2 X"Pass go and shoot" and 4 X"Fast counter attacks" . The summary of condition loss was about -18.
I made about 55 times this set.
Those two are the only drills I have in world class level ( I 'm in lv52).
I thought that training in world class could give me some advantage than the old training but I spent exactly the same amount of greens.
Maybe it wanst' the right combination ?
Don't know why not as the gaining is going to the sa and not the development of the skills.



need more tests.

[Rautz]

I made about 55 times this set.
Those two are the only drills I have in world class level ( I 'm in lv52).
I thought that training in world class could give me some advantage than the old training but I spent exactly the same amount of greens.
Maybe it wanst' the right combination ?
Don't know why not as the gaining is going to the sa and not the development of the skills.

need more tests.

I've ran tests and combination has no impact on SA/NP.
My feeling is that it also has no impact on the number of regular attributes but Al will be testing that from what I understand.

But am I reading correctly that you went from non-optimal 64-65 greens to optimal training 55 greens? so there would be a difference.
You should definitely see the difference between a non-optimal training and an optimal one, unless even in the non-optimal one the majority condition loss is from the world class drills, then a bit of non-optimal would be hard to spot.

What I'm saying is that SA/NP run like clockwork, they increase every x% condition used, and any change in the training level should be visible.

[nikolgiorgos]

Sorry my friend but I didn't understand exactly this "question".
Let me give you a maths analysis.
In old training (3 bars, practice match, -18% condition loss), Orum could hit about 80-85 (% avg, of the blue bar - a full bar is 1 sp).
So I had to tab the this training button about 50-55 times.
Each time I tab the button, this cost me -18% condition loss.
Total 55X18%=990 cond. loss
990/15 (a green replenish 15% of condition)= 66

New training
Also did 55 times this six pack set , with condition loss -18= 990
990/15 (one green)= 66 greens.

Conclusion : world class drills, didn't help me to save some greens in this case of adding an extra pos./sa

* because after all, the meaning of training, fast trainers and so, is to develop with the minimum cost of sources.

[Rayyaun]

Amendment: Extra position & 50 cone sa are similar. I spent within 50 greens <= under 5 stars

[Al Svanberg]

Sorry my friend but I didn't understand exactly this "question".
Let me give you a maths analysis.
In old training (3 bars, practice match, -18% condition loss), Orum could hit about 80-85 (% avg, of the blue bar - a full bar is 1 sp).
So I had to tab the this training button about 50-55 times.
Each time I tab the button, this cost me -18% condition loss.
Total 55X18%=990 cond. loss
990/15 (a green replenish 15% of condition)= 66

New training
Also did 55 times this six pack set , with condition loss -18= 990
990/15 (one green)= 66 greens.

Conclusion : world class drills, didn't help me to save some greens in this case of adding an extra pos./sa

* because after all, the meaning of training, fast trainers and so, is to develop with the minimum cost of sources.

Just one thought, I have noticed that the total conditioning loss after a long session (like when adding a SA) is lower than what it should be if multiplying the stated conditioning loss with number of sessions (like 18x55). Could impact the numbers a bit.

[ibangali]

New training
Also did 55 times this six pack set , with condition loss -18= 990
990/15 (one green)= 66 greens.

Conclusion : world class drills, didn't help me to save some greens in this case of adding an extra pos./sa

* because after all, the meaning of training, fast trainers and so, is to develop with the minimum cost of sources.

Hi nikol, I know you are more experienced than me and you were researching this power training, which helping us to improve our players. I'd like to share with you and others what I found :

I power train my 4* AMC+ST [18 yo] to give him FK sa, I didn't keep record how many rest pack I used but so far I can tell it was not more than 30, may be between 25-30 green. Today I bought one FT ST 18 yo 3* and I was giving him AMR position, when I bought him he join with 80% condition, which I make screen shot to show you and suggest me if I'm in right track or not please. I didn't use any green on him yet but I'll use tomorrow and I believe it won't cost me more than 45 green, I'm hoping 40/42 green, I use world class "First counter attack". I don't know about old training but if you look my screenshot then it might help your research that new training more helpful or not to save our green

Thanks

Spoiler

P.s: Last season I power train my aml+st and amr+st, give them ml and mr position, both were 22 yo, 6* and it cost me 48/50 green for each.

[Bunzo]

Hi nikol, I know you are more experienced than me and you were researching this power training, which helping us to improve our players. I'd like to share with you and others what I found :

I power train my 4* AMC+ST [18 yo] to give him FC sa, I didn't keep record how many rest pack I used but so far I can tell it was not more than 30, may be between 25-30 green. Today I bought one FT ST 18 yo 3* and I was giving him AMR position, when I bought him he join with 80% condition, which I make screen shot to show you and suggest me if I'm in right track or not please. I didn't use any green on him yet but I'll use tomorrow and I believe it won't cost me more than 45 green, I'm hoping 40/42 green, I use world class "First counter attack". I don't know about old training but if you look my screenshot then it might help your research that new training more helpful or not to save our green

Thanks

Spoiler

P.s: Last season I power train my aml+st and amr+st, give them ml and mr position, both were 22 yo, 6* and it cost me 48/50 green for each.

I take it you mean FK sa ? ( that you added ) 25-30 greens is amazing but you never really counted them ?


Edit: was this using the new training btw ?

[ibangali]

Yes, Bunzo, it was a typo :P
Its FK and new training, I need to save more green next 2 days then I can power train my new 3* 18 yo ST, whom I'm giving AMR position and I'll keep record this time about cost of green pack
thanks