Teams not leveling up

[khris]

Thank you for all your comments, Khris. It was really interesting to read everything. Well let me ask you several questions now:

1. What is your idea about teams with 1% defensive players (and most often they are even minus/negative players? Now FA top is overcrowded with such teams. And somehow it works - this week in FA I played against a team 30% lower with all defensive players of 1%. And he simply destroyed me. My 170%+ attacking players could absolutely do nothing as during all the animations these defenders were easily stealing all the balls from my attackers.

Remember that the engine never simulates a 11vs11, it reduces the selection and only few players which are in ON do a active contribution in a match to create realistic matches, alternating the players that resolve the scenarios, so if, your key player has like 8-10-10-10-10 and there is a expected 8 as rating in the upcoming match, he may be not selected.

The 11 only is counted as overall quality to set the team quality, and your team quality distance with the oppoent quality, that can be +5% +22% etc thats the beatability margin.

2. I can not understand what is going on with ball posession? Somehow recently I NEVER can have bigger ball possession than my opponents. This is stupid when you play against 40-45% weaker team without manager, one of his players gets a red card but still he has some 52 possession against yours 48. So what component influences possession?

3. About weather - do you think it plays any attention? How in this case you should change your tactics depending on the weather?

- as the game works by using lists of elegible players to fill the 25 animations of a match, and it creates 2 lists, of for def. animations and another for attack animations, and, it starts selecting players from the extremes of the field -so GK first election, and STs/aml-c-r which are the same so attack line in attack animations -
If you have a good GK is enough, and same happens with good attacking players and obviating that there are MCs, since you dont need them and are the last to be selecvted by the lists used by the engine to fill animation slots.

- remember that the center of the possession bar never is in the 50% exactly, it is displaced, so this depend on many factors, and remember that playing vs 10 many times turns into a benefit for the reson I mentioned before, the engine works by using lists of few elected players those who are elegible, so in ON because of the rating variations, a player that have 86868 will have a expected 6 in the next game so probably will not participate in the next match as determinat player, so in this case the player is in OFF - so basically there is no player sent off at some point when the engine reads the lists, if Nordeus want this to be more realistic and a issue for the team with 10 players it would need a active punishment applied, like a -8 % possession, or for example, if a player in defence is sent off, deactivate teh defensive team bonus.

3- the game always created scenarios, selecting only few factors of the bunch that can influence a match, so sometimes win bonus worked, condition mattered, morale etc and the weather basically ordenated the scenarios in something we can read

It is like the playstyles, now you have the internal programming visible, and you can know if a DL can join the attack if have a PS allowing this action.
Time ago you had to test the player to know if the DL joined attack, the MC helped in defense and a etc of internal roles that the engine assigns to every player for realistic purposes.

[a.gavrilin]

- as the game works by using lists of elegible players to fill the 25 animations of a match, and it creates 2 lists, of for def. animations and another for attack animations, and, it starts selecting players from the extremes of the field -so GK first election, and STs/aml-c-r which are the same so attack line in attack animations -
If you have a good GK is enough, and same happens with good attacking players and obviating that there are MCs, since you dont need them and are the last to be selecvted by the lists used by the engine to fill animation slots.

- remember that the center of the possession bar never is in the 50% exactly, it is displaced, so this depend on many factors, and remember that playing vs 10 many times turns into a benefit for the reson I mentioned before, the engine works by using lists of few elected players those who are elegible, so in ON because of the rating variations, a player that have 86868 will have a expected 6 in the next game so probably will not participate in the next match as determinat player, so in this case the player is in OFF - so basically there is no player sent off at some point when the engine reads the lists, if Nordeus want this to be more realistic and a issue for the team with 10 players it would need a active punishment applied, like a -8 % possession, or for example, if a player in defence is sent off, deactivate teh defensive team bonus.

3- the game always created scenarios, selecting only few factors of the bunch that can influence a match, so sometimes win bonus worked, condition mattered, morale etc and the weather basically ordenated the scenarios in something we can read

It is like the playstyles, now you have the internal programming visible, and you can know if a DL can join the attack if have a PS allowing this action.
Time ago you had to test the player to know if the DL joined attack, the MC helped in defense and a etc of internal roles that the engine assigns to every player for realistic purposes.

Somehow I think you are very optimistic saying that the game engine can take into account so many factors. And now you are talking about additional factors. What about formation and tactics/orders in this case? Somehow it seems to me that the formation is not working any more. Some 2-3 years ago it was absolutely clear for example that you can beat V-style with a formation of 3 mc. Now nothing works as it should be and I see so many players who are playing just the same formation for seasons without a single change against all the opponents and still have perfect results.

As for ball possession still it is not clear what is the decisive factor. You explained the situation when the player get a red card, but what about an ordinary game? On one of my teams I didn't have any possession in my favour for many seasons already no matter who I play. So what can influence my possession?

Just one today's example of a strange match - the difference between out teams is only 1%. The opponent doesn't come. I play at home so in total I have +15% bonus. Still the ball possession is 42 - 58 in his favour. The game starts and he scores 2 goals in the first 6 minutes. I change the formation and score 3 goals. On the 82nd minute the score is 3-2 in my favour with total shots 19/12 by my team against 5/2 by opponent. The ball possession is still 42-58. And then all of a sudden in the last 8 minutes this bot scores twice and the number of shots becomes 13/9 from his side.

such results are ridiculous. Yesterday such a match cost me a cup when the opponent scored 3 goals in the last 6 minutes. Today it goes on. So I really don't know what is going on

[khris]

Somehow I think you are very optimistic saying that the game engine can take into account so many factors. And now you are talking about additional factors. What about formation and tactics/orders in this case? Somehow it seems to me that the formation is not working any more. Some 2-3 years ago it was absolutely clear for example that you can beat V-style with a formation of 3 mc. Now nothing works as it should be and I see so many players who are playing just the same formation for seasons without a single change against all the opponents and still have perfect results.

As for ball possession still it is not clear what is the decisive factor. You explained the situation when the player get a red card, but what about an ordinary game? On one of my teams I didn't have any possession in my favour for many seasons already no matter who I play. So what can influence my possession?

Just one today's example of a strange match - the difference between out teams is only 1%. The opponent doesn't come. I play at home so in total I have +15% bonus. Still the ball possession is 42 - 58 in his favour. The game starts and he scores 2 goals in the first 6 minutes. I change the formation and score 3 goals. On the 82nd minute the score is 3-2 in my favour with total shots 19/12 by my team against 5/2 by opponent. The ball possession is still 42-58. And then all of a sudden in the last 8 minutes this bot scores twice and the number of shots becomes 13/9 from his side.

such results are ridiculous. Yesterday such a match cost me a cup when the opponent scored 3 goals in the last 6 minutes. Today it goes on. So I really don't know what is going on

"Somehow I think you are very optimistic saying that the game engine can take into account so many factors. "

No no, its exatly the opposite, the game selects only few factors for a scenario, and few players to be determinant.
It is a simple process in reality without any complexity.

Orders? same as players in ON/OFF, passing to right/left/center are in ON/OFF options, long short passing, the same, and as commented, a punishment for low condition? too ON/OFF with a relative impact.

Since the engine works by using lists in reality it doesnt simulate a formation vs formation, the engine doesnt know and never knew what a formation was... its about the list and elegible players, so then you placed the 3mcs vs the V it was the list of elegible players that could give the advantadge, but the game changed, in 2015 the STs lost the power and the whole attack line is exactly the same so a AML may be the top scorer... and you may play 5 seasons without a ST in the top because the re-distribution of internal roles and parameters.

Possession depends on the Beatability Margin, find the right setting that fit to "activate your players to perform properly" and Dominance Power.
The engine assign the Dominance power (so + power themore animations can join a player, for good actions as score, or bad as miss) and the Constibutive Power which affect the effectivity.
The more "well programmed are your players" and the more fluidly can play your team, the more possession you can reach, thats chemistry.

And yea, I lost a game yesterday vs a 30% lower team, margins are wide than before and the expansion of the margin to allow 200%s+ players caused a nonsense that can turn into something unpredictible... but this is caused because the margin has been extended to add different features.

And yeah Im agree here in that it is so complicated right now to learn the game in a intuitive way, read scenarios as before turned into something complicated because at some point, with wide parameters, the game turned into something crazy, its like if tomorrow a 5* team can face and win a 9* with 300%s... how do you read here the game parameters? where can you see the limits? what have the 9* team to do to guarantee a win?

Btw my potato game sent me to a final for the 17th Super League lol

I trained the GKs anticipation to 160 and he got a goal after days of clean sheets

[RaiKo]

a player that have 86868 will have a expected 6 in the next game so probably will not participate in the next match as determinat player, so in this case the player is in OFF

I think it's not valid since they updated player rating system. I need more data and experience to analyze rating patterns.

[khris]

I think it's not valid since they updated player rating system. I need more data and experience to analyze rating patterns.

Yeah, its true that at some point the ratings changed into something that can not be properly read right now.