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    Quote Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos View Post
    Yes, he is a ft.
    Max prices are rare because it's about near 6* (95-98% quality), ft trainers are anyway rare so this value is very rare.
    2 M', 85% q is great, buy.
    read this, it's not so difficult (was in previous page dialogue)
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    I'd like to ask for your advice on this matter. What should i do to the next players, sell and get the money for next season or keep and train again? Any specific i should use greens or save?
    If you read the summary, I have some tips for the new players and management.
    But I would say giving extra position ot sa to your MC or power training your GK is a waste of greens for your level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EREN5847 View Post
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    İ think İ found my FT . İ took +1 sp per %14.25 condition. İ done this 9 times and ı took +1 sp every train section. This player is from my Academy
    Quote Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos View Post
    In every third training set, he must gain 2 points (or else, he is not so fast- 1st class).
    You must use attacking drills, like Shooting technique .
    Why attacking drills? Logically, it should not matter for the case of adding a special ability or another position as long as the levels of the drills are the same, that is, the gain per condition loss should be the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EREN5847 View Post
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    İ think İ found my FT . İ took +1 sp per %14.25 condition. İ done this 9 times and ı took +1 sp every train section. This player is from my Academy
    Quote Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos View Post
    p76 LV33
    Value jump

    This season I 'm at LV33 so we have a weird situation.
    It's about the values transformation.
    As we can see (from #172 https://forum.topeleven.com/tutorial...ainers-18.html ),
    lv 32- max q179 - max 115M WAGE 45M
    lv 33- max q184 - max 126M WAGE 47M
    lv 34- max q189 - max 127M WAGE 47M

    the value jumps from 115 (max) to 126.
    This season I bought 3 scout list players and when they became 7* players, their value went to 126.
    The same will happen to all the other players when they 'll be also 7*.
    Interesting

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    p82 - New Summary

    This guide was started in old T11 (2014) when in the market were only few nordgens (nordeus generated players). You can read many times this word in the first posts of this guide.
    Now all the players are nordgens (created from the game) and available 24 h per day but they are not all fast trainers.
    The general rule is that players with the higher value from every level, are the fast trainers we are looking for.
    Ofc we ‘re talking about the 5* players
    Here is the table of max values for every LV from 1 -39.

    lev 1: max q24 2,5-3,3 M WAGE 15-20K-------
    lev 2: max q29 3,5-4 M WAGE 30-50K-----
    lev3: max q34 5,5-6 M WAGE 80-100K----
    lev4: max q39 7.5-8 M WAGE 140-160K--
    lv 5 max q44 max 10-11M WAGE 220-260K----
    lv6 - max q49 max 12-15M WAGE 330-370K----
    lv7 - max q 54 max 17-19M WAGE 500-540K---
    lv 8 - max q 59 - max 24-25M WAGE 700-820K-
    lv 9 - max q 64 - max 31-32M WAGE 1 M----
    lv 10 - max q69 - max 38-39M WAGE 1,4 M----
    lv 11 - max q74 - max 48-50M WAGE 1,9M-----
    lv12 - max q79 - max 59-61M WAGE 2,5M-----
    lv13 - max q84 - max 73-75M WAGE 3,2M-----
    lv 14- max q89 - max 83-86M WAGE 3,9M-----
    lv 15- max q94 - max 90-92M WAGE 4,9M---- for some reason, you can find some bigger values in that LV! #625
    lv 16- max q99 - max 104M WAGE 6M------
    lv 17- max q104 - max 105M WAGE 7,7M---
    lv 18- max q109 - max 106M WAGE 9M----
    lv 19- max q114 - max 106M WAGE 11M
    lv 20- max q119 - max 107M WAGE 13M
    lv 21- max q124 - max 107M WAGE 15M
    lv 22- max q129 - max 108M WAGE 17M
    lv 23- max q134 - max 108-109 M WAGE 19M
    lv 24- max q139 - max 109M WAGE 24M
    lv 25- max q144 - max 110M WAGE 29M------
    lv 26- max q149 - max 110M WAGE 32M----
    lv 27- max q154 - max 110-111M WAGE 32M-----
    lv 28- max q159 - max 111-112 M WAGE 42M
    lv 29- max q164 - max 112M WAGE 43M----
    lv 30- max q169 - max 113M WAGE 44M
    lv 31- max q174 - max 114M WAGE 44M----
    lv 32- max q179 - max 115M WAGE 45M---
    lv 33- max q184 - max 115M WAGE 47M
    lv 34- max q189 - max 115-116 M WAGE 47M
    lv 35- max q194 - max 126M WAGE 47M
    lv 36- max q199 - max 126M WAGE 47M
    lv 37- max q204 - max 127M WAGE 48M
    lv 38- max q209 - max 127M WAGE 48M #572
    lv 39- max q214 - max 127M WAGE 49M
    lv40 -max q214 - max 127M WAGE 49 #624
    lv41 - max q224 - max 127M WAGE 50M
    lv42 - max q229 - max 127-8M WAGE 50M #726-#730
    lv43 - max q234 - max 128M WAGE 50M #727
    lv44 - max q239 - max 128M WAGE 50. M
    lv45 - max q244 - max 128.600 WAGE 50. M #745
    lv46 - max q249 - max 128M WAGE 50. M #752
    lv47 - max q254 - max 128.700 WAGE 51 p#775-6
    lv48 - max q259 - max 128.800 WAGE 51
    lv49 - max q264 - max 128.800 WAGE 51 p#797
    lv50 - max q269 - max 128.800 WAGE 51.7 p#818
    lv51 - max q274 - max 128.800 WAGE 51.7 p#840
    lv52 - max q279 - max 128
    lv53 - max q284 - max 129 > sell value 129,000
    lv54 - max q289 - max 129 > sell value 129,100
    lv55 - max q294 - max 129
    lv56 - max q299 - max 129
    lv57 - max q304 - max 129
    lv58 - max q309
    lv67 - max q - max 130
    I have been through some of the past pages. There is contradiction. What max value should I expect for a fast trainer in L33, 126M or 115M? I am currently on L32 now, and the max value is 114M (not 115M, and unlikely the very few 114M were hidden 115M because most highest vales were shown as 113M; there has been like only one 114M shown per day or so); maybe there have been changes in those areas with time too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tactician View Post
    Why attacking drills? Logically, it should not matter for the case of adding a special ability or another position as long as the levels of the drills are the same, that is, the gain per condition loss should be the same.
    It matters. The individual skills now represent in a way the quality of the player.
    A basic characteristic of the training is that the lower the quality, the more the gaining.
    So for a defender who has 40% shooting and 70% marking, the engine calculations consider him as 2-3* quality player if set attacking drills or 4-5* if set defensive drills.
    So we are using the opposite (to player's position) drills to give faster a sa or extra position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tactician View Post
    I have been through some of the past pages. There is contradiction. What max value should I expect for a fast trainer in L33, 126M or 115M? I am currently on L32 now, and the max value is 114M (not 115M, and unlikely the very few 114M were hidden 115M because most highest vales were shown as 113M; there has been like only one 114M shown per day or so); maybe there have been changes in those areas with time too?
    What max value should I expect for a fast trainer in L33, 126M or 115M?
    115 M. But if you train him +7*, you will see his Value goes to 126 M'

    I am currently on L32 now, and the max value is 114M (not 115M, and unlikely the very few 114M were hidden 115M because most highest vales were shown as 113M
    - Those values of the board are for players near the 6*. So if you see a 3* or 4* player with 114, probably is a 1st class ft (and when you 'll make him 6* he will be 115 M').
    Remember that a 3*-4* players have the max value of previous level and players you 'll develop as 7* will gain the value of the next level.

    - The old times, after the 1st day and the season's maintenance, maybe I had to wait 10-15 days to see the next ft in the market.
    Now it's little better but still 1st class ft are rare.
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    Yeah, that is true. I have teams on those levels 34/35, there is a jump in value from 116M to 126M. I even remember when that change was made by Nordeus, my main team was level 34 or 35 and changes to value were made in the middle of the season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikolgiorgos View Post
    It matters. The individual skills now represent in a way the quality of the player.
    A basic characteristic of the training is that the lower the quality, the more the gaining.
    So for a defender who has 40% shooting and 70% marking, the engine calculations consider him as 2-3* quality player if set attacking drills or 4-5* if set defensive drills.
    So we are using the opposite (to player's position) drills to give faster a sa or extra position.
    Read more here
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    Ah... I need to check that. If that is true, then it is another flaw that can be exploited in the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandef View Post
    I think the price did not change, what was the quality of the top price 18yo?
    Don't remember, unfortunately But I keep trying and that's who I'm trying out now:
    1st level, in 7 tries of 5xpress the play he got 8 points of SA.

    Value 1.93, Wage 10k, price was quite high so I decided to give it a try...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tactician View Post
    Ah... I need to check that. If that is true, then it is another flaw that can be exploited in the game.
    well it's not exactly a flaw, it's for promoting the anti-mutant training
    But yes, with this we can keep the ft (specially the attackers and defenders) for 2-3 more years.
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